what is officially canon to DOOM

[ABRACADABRA]

kelliegator said:

Also, I would like to see a Doom game that doesn't take place on Mars or Earth for a change. Something new and different. Time will tell on that, otherwise someone's probably made a WAD of it. :V

It was done in 1997. it's called Quake 2.

[deadwolves]

My understanding is (in linear order of events)

Doom 1: Hell invades UAC outposts all over Mars and its moons. Doomguy kills them, goes to Hell and kills a twisted demon who had directed the entire invasion, but is too late to prevent Hell from reaching Earth.

Doom 2: The population of Earth is devastated and the survivors are evacuated. Doomguy travels to the ruined Earth, goes to Hell and kills a massive Demon, ending the invasion. He cleans up on the way back (Thy Flesh Consumed).

Doom 64: Whatever is left of the Human military returns to Mars in order to eradicate any possibility of another invasion. They find the planet completely infested by a mother demon, and kill her.

Final Doom: A few years have pasted. UAC screw up yet again and teleport a terrible demon onto Earth. Also a demon spaceship attacks a distant human outpost. There are large losses of life, but both assaults are repelled.

---reboot---

Doom 3 Reboot: Betruger, a scientist, falls in league with Hell and prepares the invasion of Earth through new technology developed on a Mars military outpost. He is defeated.

Doom 3 Lost Mission: A sole marine attempts to survive the invasion on the outpost and prevent a more serious invasion in the process.

Doom 3 RoE: Years later, Betruger attempts to initiate another invasion, but is defeated again, this time losing his life.

---reboot---

Doom 4: UAC secretly develop monstrous genetic weapons on a Martian outpost, only to find their operation backfires.

There are also the novels, haven't read them but they lean towards the movie by counting the antagonists as aliens rather than Demons, and I don't think many people count them as canon because they deviate so far from the original Doom idea.

[Zulk RS]

Could it be possible that the games do not take part in the same order they were released? Here's my current take (As the Doom story-line is confusing as hell, my interpretation changes quite frequently) on the Doom story line:

-Doomguy is sent to Phobos and kills the demons that invaded there. After Killing the 2 Barons of Hell, he steps through a teleporter and is nearly killed by the demons.

-He escapes with his life and his pistol, losing all his other weapons and armor. He finds out the Deimos base and kills the demons on Deimos. He kills the Cyberdemon and realizes Deimos floats over Hell (That's a different story) and climbs down to Hell.

-To properly climb down to Hell, he again, had to leave all his weapon and armor behind. When he finally goes down to Hell, the events of Inferno takes place and he kills the spider-demon and goes through a portal to Earth.

-Earth is being invaded by demons. Thy Flesh Consumed happens. Next Stop: Hell on Earth

-Back on Earth, instead of Doom-2 taking place, what actually happens is No Rest For The Living.

-Doomguy after killing the cyber-demon in NRFL, goes to Earth and becomes "Our Hero"

-Hell again invades Mars and Doomguy being the only successful person to kill the forces of hell twice, is sent to Mars to stop it. We never see this adventure in any games.

-After being the sole survivor of the Mars invasion, Doomguy travels to Earth via spaceship, he finds out Earth has fallen to Hell. Then, Doom-2 happens.

-Plutonia and TNT take place after Doom-2 (Don't know which order) where Doomguy kills the forces of Hell again

-Finally there's Doom64 which is the last in the time line. Doomguy stays in Hell to stop the forces of Hell from ever attacking Earth again.

-All PWADs except terry ones take place either between Final Doom and Doom64 or after Doom64. Some PWADs with a different HUD like Valiant or with a new story like UAC Rebellion and it's sequel Sinister Seven (I think it was called) have a different marine as the protagonist. Some PWADs may even take place Between Doom-2 and Final Doom or TNT and Plutonia because we don't know how much time passed between these two games.

P.S: Since Doomguy basically killed Hell, he's probably obtained eternal youth or something, but that's a whole different theory.

[rampancy]

this is like trying to put all the zelda games in order, dont bother!

[june gloom]

I view Doom 64 to be a sequel to PSX Doom which is a separate canon IMO.

Other than that have fun working this crap out. The only stuff you can definitively say is canon is Doom 1, Thy Flesh Consumed, and Doom 2, in that order.

[Dav_NW]

I believe Hell on Earth never happened in the Doom64 storyline.

[Face23785]

You guys are way overthinking this. The simplest explanation is that after the story-driven Doom 1 was scrapped and it was turned into a pure action game, the manual story and in-game text was half-assedly thrown together without much thought. And because it was SO simple, when it came time for Doom 2's story and all later incarnations, nobody bothered to actually check the text word for word to make certain it was building a consistent and logical canon. They just said hey this was basically the story of the first game right? Yes, so write 2 paragraphs that succeed that and call it good. That's why it doesn't make 100% logical sense, because they just threw the first story together, then threw the new stories on top of it, with the only checking of the old story being done from memory and we all know how unreliable human memory is.

It's all canon. It's just half assed canon because Doom wasn't a story-driven game until Doom 3.

[Tracer]

Well, it all started with Joson telling John that he must fight the demons.

[Deleted_Account]

Doom: UAC Researchers open a portal to hell, unleashing a deluge of evil on the two moons of Mars. Space Marines go to Phobos, gets their asses handed to them. Except for one, you must kill the demons!

Doom II: The demons have found their way to Earth and intended to BRING THIS HELL TO EARTH! AHAHAHAHHA. You, the Space Marine from Doom, must kill the demons.

Final Doom TNT: UAC Researchers playing with portals to hell on Io, the moon of Jupiter, unknown to them are demons piloting a space ship, yes that's right, demons flying a space ship invade Io and unleash a deluge of evil. This time it's not about survival, it's about revenge. You the Space Marine must kill the demons.

Final Doom Plutonia: UAC Researchers experimenting with a portal to hell unleashed a sonic blast of evil throughout time and guess what, that's right, you the Space Marine must blast your way through a jungle of demons.

Doom 64: Turns out that not all demons from the original invasion are dead, in fact, they've been resurrected and mutated by a super demon. You, the Space Marine must return to your old stomping grounds and start smashing and kicking some fucking faces in. That's right Marine, you must kill the demons.

Doom 3: In another universe, another reality, UAC Reserachers have opened a portal to hell and the forces of hell, led by Anthony Hopkins, possessed by a dragon who intends to BRING THIS HELL TO EARTH! AHAHAHAHHA. You must kill the demons!

Doom 3 Resurrection of Evil: Two years after Doom 3 a detachment of Space Marines are sent to Mars to investigate a strange signal from an evil heartifact. You, the genius Space Marine inadvertently unleash hell. You must kill the demons, but this time with style!

Doom 2016: Another world, another reality, another universe, UAC Researchers have opened a portal to hell unleashing an endless stream of evil. You, the Space Marine, have been activated to rip and tear every damn living and breathing thing in sight, no exceptions. You must kill the demons!

[BluePineapple72]

TraceOfSpades said:

Well, it all started with Joson telling John that he must fight the demons.

Then John gotted his palsma rifle

[idbeholdME]

Since we are posting our interpretations, here's mine - chronologically.


*WARNING – WALL OF TEXT INCOMING!!!!


Doom 3 - It all begins here. Marine (different one from original Dooms) arrives on Mars. Experiments with teleportations go wrong (probably Betruger’s doing) and UAC scientists unknowingly tap into hell dimension using this technology. Hell ensues, Doom 3 storyline happens. This experiment however had more consequences than originally thought.



Doom 1 - Due to the accident on Mars, it's moons are also befallen by the Hell invasion. The only survior on Phobos due to plot armor is our one and only green badass Marine. He’s not going to just sit around doing nothing and Episode 1 happens. At the end, he kills the Barons and finds a strange teleporter, most likely the place where the demons came from as it looks quite demonic. Seeing no other way out, he enters, hoping for the best. The teleporter leads to Deimos, but because the demons tempered with it, he briefly appears among some of them in hell before the teleportation process is complete, getting his armor completely destroyed and losing most of his weapons. He barely survives this and appears battered somewhere on Deimos, managing to salvage only the pistol from the unexpected teleporter mid-stop. He uses the spare Medkits he gathered to at least patch himself up.

Episode 2 – Pressing ever forward, he manages to recover most of the weapons again while going through the Deimos base. He reaches the main and highest observation tower on the Deimos moon, nicknamed „Tower of Babel“, due to its height. There he encounters the Cyberdemon, overseer of the Deimos base. After the thoughest fight of his life, he finally emerges victorious. With the battle over, he sees no way out. He suddenly notices on the helmet hud, that the atmosphere is practically unbreathable. Luckily, the helmet posesses a superior filtering system, so he can breathe normally. From the watch tower, he realizes the truth. Deimos has actually been trasported to the hell dimension and is now floating stationary above a strangely shaped landmass, being used as a staging ground to transport more forces to „our“ dimension. The surrounding low gravity allows him to make his way down to the landmass relatively easily, thanks to the superior UAC army boots, but he has to drop some weight so the boots are able to mitigate the impact enough. Once again, he is forced to drop most of his equipment and with no other way to go, he lands in hell itself.

Episode 3 – Being in hell with nothing to lose, Marine pushes onward, eventually fighting his way through hell to the brain (literally) behind the whole moon invasion operation. Exploiting it’s massive size and clumsiness, he manages to defeat the Spider Mastermind. With that done, he enters the doorway which was closed until now thanks to neural link with the Mastermind. The teleport transports him to Earth and due to the death of the Spider Mastermind, the portal dissipates soon after.

Episode 4 – But on the other side of the portal, it doesn’t look like Earth at all. It looks like the area he just left, still hell as the demons began transforming it to their own image. Doomguy clears this forward outpost and kills another commanding Spiderdemon, but to no avail as the Earth has already been overrun.



Doom 2 – This we all know, Doomguy releases the remnants of humanity by a magical switch, eventually makes his way back to hell through another portal and there he meets the Icon of Sin, which is a demon so huge he’s immobile and literally only serves as a demon spawner. Doomguy manages to defeat it after finding it’s weakspot and pumping rockets into it. Invasion is over, evacuated humans return and rebuild what they can.

No Rest for the Living – It is discovered that one last Cyberdemon has dug in with his own personal army he created from the remnants of demons on Earth and a cleanup operation is required. Who else to send than our green armor clad hero? And of course we send him alone, others would just get in his way/delay him.


Optionally, you can put TNT/Plutonia here, but to me they dont fit. They’re just level packs.



Ressurection of Evil - Some time after the events on Earth, UAC decides to go back where it all began, Mars. Plot of the expansion happens with yet another marine and by killing Maledict/Betruger, all of Hell’s plans on conquering Earth are finally thwarted.



The story ends here, console games are a different canon and have nothing to do with the main story.


The Doom 3 parts are optional, but I tried to incorporate them into the whole story to not miss any of the games even though it required some bigger changes to them.

If someone read it all,
RESPECT!

[DoomzRules]

[XLightningStormL]

The Events of the Wolfenstein games Occur (A More Realistic less Arcadey version, so chain guns are just MG42s etc)

The Events of Commander Keen "Happen" (In Reality it's just a little kids universe he made when)

UAC is Formed

A Week before D3: Blazkowicz' Great Great Great Great Grandson Finn Blazkowicz-Taggart is discharged from Mars City to a Smaller Outpost for "sticking up to his commanding officer (Not Kelley, who insisted that he (Finn) be send to a smaller outpost rather than be imprisoned)" when he was commanded to kill civilians, John Kane was sent to replace him.

Doom 3/TLE Occurs: John Kane weakens Hell's main original portal, Betruger becomes the Maledict, The Soul Cube is obtained and has well finished it's job. The Events of D3 are hidden away from public. Both Portals are disabled. Another Marine kills another leader of hell and prevents an even bigger invasion of mars.

Episode 1 occurs: A Research Test occurs in the original teleporter facility (Being put on Hiatus due to the Delta Base tests, Deimos disappears, a Message is sent, the Portals have finally became stable, Soldiers Stationed on Phobos are possessed in their sleep or outright possessed, hundreds die etc.
A Group of Marines are sent by their commanding officer to Phobos, they all die Taggart clears the bases (ignoring however the supposedly abandoned older facilities) kills the Brusier Brothers, the weapons and armor are lost or destroyed etc.

Episode 2 occurs: BJ clears the bases, kills the Overlord of the Deimos Base.

Episode 3 occurs: BJ Clears Some parts of hell, kills the Spider mastermind, the player enters a portal...

Episode 4 occurs:...which leads to a UAC Base on Earth which as been invaded, along with earth. He Kills the Second Mastermind.

Doom 2 occurs: meets with numerous troops, marines and cops, becomes the last survivor, Goes through a spaceport, allows a trapped starship with the last of the civilians and most likely soldiers as well, once done he sits around, and then goes to his home town after being told the main hell portal is there, he goes through his demonic transformed city, until he goes through a final hell portal, kills the Icon of Sin.

No Rest for the Living Occurs in another UAC facility a week after D2.

The Events of TNT Evilution and Plutonia happen 1-2 years after NRFTL. Doom 64 Occurs directly after this, and Blazkowicz-Taggart clears the Phobos base for sure, disables the portals from the inside, kills the mother demon and stays in hell and possibly becomes either a new leading figure for hell or a legend.

Resurrection of Evil Happens, another Marine kills the Maledict, dying in the process.

UAC builds the Tei Tenga Base...on tei tenga

60 years later the events of Quake Happen, a Different Dimension invades, etc This Ranger is the direct descendent to John Kane. The UN/US/Etc Bans Gateways and teleporter experiments for good, further preventing any issues.

The Events of Tei Tenga occur, in a similar fashion to D1. The Events of Doom (4) during this Happen, UAC does new secret teleporter and genetic experiments in the new mars city on the old mars city ruins, shit goes wrong..again, after this who knows?

[Angry Saint]

We can create a great variety of narrative starting from the few information we have.

Someone went so on to incorporate also Strife and all Quake, Heretic and Hexen titles into one timeline.

[idbeholdME]

DoomzRules said:

My only complaint is... aren't the TNT/Plutonia games supposed to be taking place around the same time as the original game?

What about The Lost Mission? Doesn't it take place the same time as Doom 3 does?

Doom 64 is a sequel to Doom 2/No Rest for the Living, why didn't you elaborate on the Moon and the Mother Demon?

And yes I did read your entire post. =3

Ahh yes, probably forgot lost missions, because I never actually played them yet :/. My BFG edition Doom 3 crashes after the intro... But from what I understand, it really does take place simultaneously with Doom 3.

TNT/Pluonia are definitely after Doom 2. In TNT, they continue the experiments on the dimensional gateways on Io and Doomguy from Doom 1-2 is stationed there as a marine commander. Hell forces, tired of using portals now come in a spaceship for some reason and TNT starts.

After that plutonia happens. Quantum accelerator, the "ultimate weapon" against demon invasions is being researched. This gets hell's attention and they try in a last ditch effort to stop it. Initially successful they manage to invade, before the accelerator closes the last gate. Doomguy is sent to prevent demons from using the device for their needs. He arrives and stops them one last time.

We could stretch this forever (plutonia 2 etc.). If you really want, you can put TNT/Plutonia in there too, but nothing more.

As for the Doom 64, it feels as if they tried to forcefully tack it to the original story. It seems a bit silly, that a "mother demon" resurrected pretty much everything you killed before. Even logically, undead demons don't make sense. Once you kill the body a demon inhabits, it returns to hell. Ressurecting that body only creates an undead, not a demon. That's why in general in most games, Demons and undead mostly just ignore each other (demons want living bodies, undead want dead ones). I like to think of the zombieman-shotgun guy-heavy weapon dude as possesed rather than undead (as seen in Doom 3 or the Doom bible - "demon possesed humans"). So to me, the thought of Demon, creating undead is just nonsense. But if it was to be chronolgicaly placed, it would indeed be after Doom 2.

So, storyline including all (optional ones in parantheses):
Doom 3 + Lost Missions - Doom 1 - Doom 2 + NRftL - (TNT/Plutonia) - (Doom 64) - RoE

[doom12]

[merged into thread by mod; we don't need another one of these threads]

the order of the games in chronological order is this

-wolfenstienRPG-(cancelled DOOM4 concept)-DOOM3 series-DOOMRPG series-CLASSICDOOM-FINALDOOM-DOOM64-

new timeline
-DOOM2016-

the reason this is is because the classic doom series( the ultimate doom and doom2) happens after the RPG games as stated by those games(either in game or their defunct website also doomwiki.) the final doom series happens after that and before the absolution. where the marine you play as is the one from the doom episode (as in all of the classic games). many people thought that the doom 3 series is a remake, well in a gameplay sense you are correct. but this entry is actually the first encounter with the demons from the perspective of the marine in the first doom rpg(wich is stated to be the same one from the classic games.) then before the 4th number title got scrapped and replaced with the true reboot of the series, it was gonna take place during that earth war that was mentioned by swan in doom 3 as shown by supposed consept art and a minute video. wolfenstien rpg has a connection to this series by the cyberdemon cursing bj that he will fight his decendants. in doom2rpg one of them named stan battled said demon.

[Quasar]

I'd just like to mention that, without spoiling any specific details, what I have heard of the Doom 2016 plot so far leaves wide room for interpretation considering the status of prior games. In particular it doesn't sound like it'd be totally out of line from the idea I myself put forward earlier ;)

[Stallion12]

The whole thing has confused me. I always believed doom 3 was a remake, but then I discovered the doom rpg and see they connect them.

My question is though, I'd the ipad doom resurrection game canon?

[Linguica]

Stallion12 said:

My question is though, I'd the ipad doom resurrection game canon?

Doom Resurrection is very clearly in the same "timeline" as Doom 3, and functions as a sort of side story. But again, whoooo caaaaaressss

[Maes]

The ONLY real plot and backstory of ANY Doom game:

The makers of the game tried to give it a plot and backstory, but the whole shebang went titties up at some point, so they called it a day, and now you're left with an ugly bunch of demons in a space base somewhere that you have to kill for no specific reason. So pick up your gun and have fun.

[Kira]

For some reason the UAC broke the fabric of the universe and laws of physics were changed. Now stuck in a 2.5D world, the doomguy finds himself in a quest to pump missiles inside a brain, helped by an elevator with his newfound handicap.

Doom64 is during the universe's reboot. Doomguy is having a bad trip because of all the mind bending stuff going on.

Doom 3 is when the universe has been rebooted and now it's 3D as it should. Except you can't see shit. The UAC made narrow corridors so you could navigate by bumping at walls but the doomguy is completely pissed off.

Doom 2016 is when it's bearable at last but everyone is scared that the doomguy might reboot the universe once more. So they give him a pretext to vent some steam.

That's my understanding of the plot anyway.

[Tritnew]

Here's how I look at the timeline.

DOOM 1 > DOOM II > DOOM 64 > DOOM 3 > DOOM 2016

[Avoozl]

I don't consider Doom 4 canon just the same as Doom 64 since neither were made by the same creators of the original Doom's. I know people will not agree with me but it's just my opinion.

[Grazza]

GreyGhost said:

This picture might sum it up nicely. Multiple protagonists in parallel universes that intersect in a way which allows events in one to influence the others, but without Doomguy bumping into himself.

I tried turning it into a map but had to stop when my brain imploded.

Then look at map02 of this for a brain implosion.

[kuchitsu]

DOOM.WAD
DOOM2.WAD

Everything else doesn't count (that includes manuals and other crap even for these games: don't care about that).

[Unf]

From what I read on a highly trustable 4chan post on /vr/ that got deleted because it was about the new Doom, all community made wads are canon. Yes, even yours.

Then again, I saw it on 4chan, so make of that what you want.

(This also means things like wow.wad, nuts.wad or hdoom are all canon :P)

[Quasar]

This thread is raising my agitation level.

[Stallion12]

What are wads? Custom maps?

[Devalaous]

Not really too hard to get the basic gist of it

Doom -> Doom 2 -> NRFTL as the basic progression

Master Levels, TNT and Plutonia are generally in that order after Doom 2, although Master Levels is super questionable as it only appears together in an episode form in three console ports and has no story in those forms

Doom 64 will always be the final part of classic Doom, due to the ending being rather final.

[scifista42]

Stallion12 said:

What are wads? Custom maps?

They're files that may contain maps and/or graphics, sounds, music, game behavior changing scripts, etc. IWADs contain stock content, PWADs contain custom content.

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/WAD