Modern Drunkard Magazine...what is your take on it?

[hardcore_gamer]

So I came across this...thing: http://www.drunkard.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Drunkard_Magazine

"Modern Drunkard Magazine is a bi-monthly glossy color periodical promoting the "functional alcoholic's" lifestyle "

So let me get this straight, unless I am missing the point of the site this is a website dedicated towards promoting alcoholism? At first I thought this was some kind of parody, but no, it appears to be a real thing. What are your thoughts on the site's message? Is it horrible and evil or merely people promoting an alternative lifestyle that we should not judge people for?

[Mithran Denizen]

Alternative lifestyle? Alcoholism is among the most mainstream lifestyles you'll ever come across.

[Cupboard]

It can't be any more immoral than firearm/gun magazines.

[Xaser]

I figure now is an appropriate time to re-link a certain userscript for everyone's sanity:

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Hope this helps.

[Maes]

I see nothing wrong with it. But what else is there to be said on the argument, after the Great Teacher defied all odds and lived to be 73 despite his alcoholism?

[Technician]

Didn't we just have a thread where we concluded that drunks are the scum of the earth and that we should all accept fat pride? I may be embellishing a little for simplicity's sake but the gist stands.

[Maes]

Well, you could always be a LGBT black fat activist AND a drunkard. We should really broader our tolerance horizons.

[hardcore_gamer]

TheCupboard said:

It can't be any more immoral than firearm/gun magazines.

Well, firearm owners aren't actually harming anyone as long as they treat their guns responsibly.

Maes said:

I see nothing wrong with it. But what else is there to be said on the argument, after the Great Teacher defied all odds and lived to be 73 despite his alcoholism?

73 isn't that much. Unless you live in Greece perhaps :)

[Maes]

hardcore_gamer said:

73 isn't that much. Unless you live in Greece perhaps :)

Keep in mind that he was born in 1920, was a chronic alcoholic, had a literal Hell of a life and nearly died from the blood loss caused by a stomach ulcer in his mid-30s. Smoked, gambled, drunk, went with sleazy women. And still made it to 73, with a relatively comfortable retirement, doing the things he liked till the end. BEAT THAT, YOU HEALTHY LIFESTYLE NUTS!

If living perhaps a few years more means having to do tantric yoga 8 hours a day in a tibetan monastery and/or going at bed at 9 pm and waking at 5 am to read the Bible (as G.W. Bush junior did, and who we don't know if he'll make 73, yet...), then fuck it. I'd rather have Bukowski's life.

[geo]

Never heard of it. Its not illegal. In a way they can do good for the people ready to make a change. They will buy in to booze it up, but I hope the magazine does have at least a paragraph for people looking for a way out when the time is ready. Casinos even have gambling addiction hot-lines.

[Tritnew]

It's not really Illegal, It's just a different lifestyle that people are Into, It's the future after all. Is It wrong to have a magazine based on wine? Not really, It's a lifestyle.

[Doominator2]

Tritnew, that wine magazine is different in the sense that it is promoting a variety of wines to those who enjoy it, however this magazine promotes the excessive use of alcohol and alcoholism as a disease and only that, now I definitely agree that promoting this isn't illegal, however its kind of saying "Do you suffer from excessive consumption of alcohol and are a dependent? Well, there are many others who suffer and its Okay!

[Tritnew]

Doominator2 said:

Tritnew, that wine magazine is different in the sense that it is promoting a variety of wines to those who enjoy it, however this magazine promotes the excessive use of alcohol and alcoholism as a disease and only that, now I definitely agree that promoting this isn't illegal, however its kind of saying "Do you suffer from excessive consumption of alcohol and are a dependent? Well, there are many others who suffer and its Okay!

Oh, trust me. I know, but If It's what people enjoy, then alright. I'm not gonna judge, but there's even gun magazines around and such, wouldn't that be Immoral? It's what people enjoy, but I do agree that It's sending a message that's completely wrong. But this Is a magazine for Adults. If they know the effects and caution of alcohol and drink It responsably then they'll know not to learn from this magazine, but possibly enjoy reading It a bit.

[hardcore_gamer]

Tritnew said:

Oh, trust me. I know, but If It's what people enjoy, then alright.

But do people actually enjoy being alcoholics? Because the thing about drug addictions is that they generally aren't very pleasant. Do you know what alcoholism can do to people?

[Doomkid]

Fucking alcoholics..

*hits blunt*

[Chezza]

I voted other, as I'm somewhat on the fence. But I am leaning more towards negative.

It's a bit borderline to me. On one hand it's dramatizing Alcoholism and pushes it as an accomplishment. If this Magazine becomes popular and grows in influence (it may already have) there is a risk younger people will enjoy its sense of humor and further strengthen their drive to abuse alcohol while they are so naive.

On the other hand, Alcoholics are going to be Alcoholics regardless of this magazine and I don't think they will parade dangerous drinking as some sort of ideal, just want their own right to drown themselves with it as they are already addicted. If this Magazine can solely cause someone to become a real Alcoholic than that individual is probably already at a poor state of mind where playing GTA Video Games will make him want to mow down people with his car and collect their money.

You could imagine (and probably exists) forums and websites (but I doubt magazines due to laws) dedicated to smoking and rating the best cigarettes available and provide stories promoting people who frequently smoke and that may just be viewed as an enthusiasts group if anything.

If the Magazine stays I won't be bothered, unless there is legitimate, credible and reliable stats to prove it is negatively influencing a notable number of people however if it goes I won't be surprised and less people may be hurt because of it.

[geo]

Doomkid said:

Fucking alcoholics..

*hits blunt*

There is High Times.

[GreyGhost]

I also voted "other". If the magazine's target audience is people who are comfortable with their addiction, I see little wrong with it. Their website wouldn't look out of place in Mad magazine.

[Clonehunter]

I guess this is the same as any other magazine, whether it be about reefer, guns, or even fast cars and video games. Also probably no different than Fatzines and Anorexiczines.

[hardcore_gamer]

GreyGhost said:

I also voted "other". If the magazine's target audience is people who are comfortable with their addiction, I see little wrong with it. Their website wouldn't look out of place in Mad magazine.

It's just that I don't buy the idea that anybody can actually be comfortable with having an addiction. I fear that people who are struggling with alcoholism might see something like this and then use it as an excuse to not deal with their problems. That they will just think to themselves "yea, this isn't a problem it's just a lifestyle".

[BaronOfStuff]

Well, as a heavy drinker, I'm fine with this magazine being a thing. Looks like essential reading for those long and aimless days on the cider.

[FireFish]

I voted other.
The website seems to be focusing on humor and side attractions for drunk people and those laughing with or while being drunk. There should be no danger from this lonely website. Let it amuse its target audience.


*Looks at Maes replies... shrugs*
It cant be worse than Black racists crashing a speech being held by a white man who is supporting their fellow blacks.

[40oz]

Mithran Denizen said:

Alternative lifestyle? Alcoholism is among the most mainstream lifestyles you'll ever come across.

Gonna have to second this. I don't even know how to hang out with people my own age unless there is going to be drinking involved.

[Tritnew]

hardcore_gamer said:

But do people actually enjoy being alcoholics? Because the thing about drug addictions is that they generally aren't very pleasant. Do you know what alcoholism can do to people?

Of course I know, I've never drank a drop but I know what It can do, If people are comfortable with their addiction and so Is most of their family, then fine.

[hardcore_gamer]

Tritnew said:

Of course I know, I've never drank a drop but I know what It can do, If people are comfortable with their addiction and so Is most of their family, then fine.

My mother is a former alcoholic. I promise you that nobody is ever going to be fine with another member of the family being an alcoholic. Not even if it's the so called "functioning" type.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with alcohol or getting trashed. In fact I generally do so about twice or so a month. But there is a difference between that and dependence. Drug addictions are horrible and should never be depicted in a positive light.

[Tritnew]

hardcore_gamer said:

My mother is a former alcoholic. I promise you that nobody is ever going to be fine with another member of the family being an alcoholic. Not even if it's the so called "functioning" type.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with alcohol or getting trashed. In fact I generally do so about twice or so a month. But there is a difference between that and dependence. Drug addictions are horrible and should never be depicted in a positive light.

Well, I said MOST. But I see the magazine as a place for jokes of sorts to get a laugh out of people who are partying or friends who are hanging out. But I said MOST family members, I know not every family wouldn't approve of a member's drinking.

I know drug addictions are completely horrible, I do have a brother that's addicted to pills. It's just completely awful.

[darknation]

Fuck me I think I wrote an article for this

[Maes]

Well, Scandinavians and alcoholism is a whole subject in itself.

[Technician]

Maes said:

Well, Scandinavians and alcoholism is a whole subject in itself.

I'm surprised Sweden hasn't banned alcohol for being haram.

[dew]

Technician said:

I'm surprised Sweden hasn't banned alcohol for being haram.

I just cut myself on your post, please be mindful where you leave them. Scandinavian countries always had the strictest booze laws in Europe, because:
1) they're boring Lutherans who hate fun far more than Muslims or anyone else on the planet;
2) they incline towards all-out binge drinking, which can be called alcohol abuse safely.

The Swedish state company with monopoly on selling alcohol (over 3.5% vol.) has been established in 1905. The Norwegian one (4.75% limit) in 1922 - as a means to distribute alcohol after ending total prohibition. The Finnish one has a very similar history to the Norwegian one. Denmark limits booze with high taxing, but they have a very, VERY liberal beer culture. To quote wiki:

In order to buy alcohol above 1.2% and below 16.5% ABV in stores, one must be 16 years of age.

Fun fact: When Sweden and Finland joined EU, they had to relax their strict monopolies somewhat. The librul communist nanny-hell from Brussels actually made it easier for Scandinavians to drink. Furthermore as globalization continues, Scandinavians begin to accept continental drinking behaviour (drinking less, but daily), which leads to a steady increase of alcohol consumption in those countries.

tl;dr Your an wrong, gb2/pol/.