How do Jedi defend themselves against shotguns/machine guns/bombs??

[hardcore_gamer]

I just started thinking about this for some reason after watching people play the Battlefront Beta on youtube. In the movies we always see the Jedi defend themselves against lasers like it's nothing. The point being that blasters are basically useless against jedi. But there are a couple of things about this that don't really make sense to me.

For starters, why is it that nobody in the history of the star wars universe has even thought about using shotguns against the jedi? Surely they can't defend themselves against every single shotgun pelet/blast at once? Or what about machine guns that fire so fast they just can't block all the shots? Or heck, what about bombs? In episode 2 we actually see Jango successfully use his rocket against Kenobi sending him flying into the air. So why not just nuke the shit out of the jedi? Using rockets and bombs is actually my fav tactic in the Battlefront games.

Is there any explaination for this in any cannon star wars material or even just in the expanded universe.

[Megalyth]

Dude, it's a movie.

[SavageCorona]

Isn't the storm trooper blaster exactly the equivalent of an automatic rifle? Also Episodes 1-3 sucked so they're not canon.

[Jaxxoon R]

Maybe they don't want to break the inner corridors of the Deathstar or whatever with the bombs. I don't know, seems like using grenades inside a submarine. As for machine guns, shit. Maybe blasters that fast aren't viable, maybe they'd get too hot or blow up. As for shotguns, aren't those star stations or whatever an oxygenated environment? I don't want to risk an open flame there.

I dunno. I'm tired and the last time I watched a Star War was when I was 10. I don't count the prequels because they don't even make any sense. And I don't remember those either.

[Godling]

When you talk about being able to repel a certain number of projectiles, you're making assumptions about how lasers get deflected in the first place. The method might be analogous to a force field that responds to mental intention... that is to say, that anything can be deflected if the Jedi is paying attention... while the number of individual projectiles becomes irrelevant.

As for Jango using a rocket... we can argue that the Jedi was just caught off guard.

[Inkie]

Why not a flamethrower. Remove the whole projectile thing with a searing cloud of pain.

[Mithran Denizen]

How do jedi defend themselves against Godzilla?

[SavageCorona]

More importantly how does godzilla defend himself against jedis defending themselves against godzilla?

[Clonehunter]

Mithran Denizen said:

How do jedi defend themselves against Godzilla?

Well....

Also, a lot of expanded universe material (Before the reboot) does explain that ballistic weapons are fairly useful. Even if a Jedi defended a single shot, the projectile would then just disintegrate, instead of bounce back. We all see Luke in RotJ get straddled by Fett's whipcord, though he's able to cut it off when Fett's distracted.

Dark Forces II and Jedi Outcast also brought us ballistic weapons, including a shotgun, but those are more useful in multiplayer, as the single player Dark Jedi are all basically rigged to throw back any projectiles, in a way to force you to use a lightsaber against them (With the boss, Desann, being the most "broken" f the game's Dark Jedi).

Note that while Dark Jedi in Dark Forces II can deflect your machine gun, it's still possible to down them with your rocket launcher and concussion rifle (They manage to throw grenades back at you), but the weapons deal less damage to them than if you shot a normal foe. These are, of course, game mechanics. So hardcore, you just need to look further. Sure, maybe the movies don't quite explain it, but maybe we can surmise that bullets are either expensive or to rare and antique, so equipping a droid army with firearms wouldn't make sense, or that the only people who were looking to kill Jedi are bounty hunters, and as such your everyday citizen isn't going to want a firearm, so any space age blaster market isn't going to put effort in manufacturing firearms when blasters are more profitable and useful in any non-Jedi scenario.

[Chezza]

You enjoy making discussion hardcore gamer eh?

This reminds me of the discussion from somewhere on how a plastic based sniper rifle should make short work of Magneto.

But back to the subject at hand, I don't think ballistics can be deflected well from a fast shot set of ball bearings. But perhaps, basic not-so-expensive armor is so advanced that it did render traditional firearms useless. Only modern laser weaponry can penetrate current armor.

You could also consider that over the years ballistics were so rare that Jedi naturally didn't wear any armour as it was both unnecessary and cumbersome. So if a modern trooper or more likely bounty hunter were to carry ballistics he just might have the edge on an unsuspecting Jedi. Or not, I don't follow the universe that closely.

Also my modern armor vs ballistics point could be futile as Ewoks clearly eliminated Storm Troopers with primitive weaponry. Maybe sticks and stones may break my bones but ballistics will never kill me? However a ultra fast projectile is likely to knock them off their feet as well.

[Breezeep]

Hardcore Gamer, please stop.

[Mithran Denizen]

Inkie said:

Why not a flamethrower. Remove the whole projectile thing with a searing cloud of pain.

Can jedi defend themselves against mancubuses?

[Clonehunter]

I think they can Force Push fire away if they catch it in time. At least in the first Clone Wars cartoon

[printz]

They'd just use different tactics instead. Such as hiding behind cover, force-predicting if the enemy will be inaccurate (and miss behind while they run) etc.

Star Wars happened a long time ago, so bullets as we know them might have not been invented yet.

[Clonehunter]

Well, the Tuskens (And Luke) are armed with bullet guns in A New Hope. Or well, they're later revealed to be in EU stuff. We never see them fire in the film.

[HorrorMovieRei]

Maybe our gunpowder to them is what their lasers are to us, you know? Like, gunpowder is only a science fiction thing in their universe.

[fraggle]

Don't be too proud of this idea you've thought of. The power of a shotgun or even a nuclear bomb is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

[DoomUK]

If a Jedi can deflect a laser blast moving at the speed of light, they can deflect bullets moving at a few thousand mph. As mentioned above, their number is irrelevant.

Explosions are another story, but no one ever said that Jedi are invincible. Why don't the bad guys use an obvious tactical advantage more often? Because movie.

EDIT: Ha, fraggle won the thread.

[Gez]

If laser swords can bounce back lasers, why didn't luke just use his lightsaber against the death stars?

[Godling]

fraggle said:

Don't be too proud of this idea you've thought of. The power of a shotgun or even a nuclear bomb is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

DoomUK said:

EDIT: Ha, fraggle won the thread.

+1
/thread :)

...and on that note/quote... Disney needs to make a magic-8-ball using Vader's head!

[RestlessRodent]

fraggle said:

Don't be too proud of this idea you've thought of. The power of a shotgun or even a nuclear bomb is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

What about a super nova? If a jedi is in your system, just blow up the star!

Could also lure them into a black hole.

[Captain Red]

hardcore_gamer said:

Is there any explaination for this in any cannon star wars material or even just in the expanded universe.

How badly do you want an answer to this? Because here's some nerd telling a story about the time he ruined some dark Jedi's shit as a non-Jedi in the Star Wars pen & paper RPG.

[scifista42]

Much to learn you still have.

[Cupboard]

Remember, dude. look at the capitalization

A LONG TIME AGO in a galaxy far far away

[FireFish]

If one watches the movies one could easily notice the fact that the "energy" based laser weapons shoot realy slow bullets so that the Jedi can deflect or reflect them in all due time with their healthy responsive bodies and laser swords (guns vs swords).

A giant space ship the size of a moon could be destroyed by shooting one tiny laser bomb into a tiny hole. This hole magically conducts said bomb all the way inwards to an area which should be air-tight and sealed, to then destroy the entire moon sized vessel. (deus ex machina).

And it can go on like this.
It is a well thought out fiction which ignores reality to bring you entertainment and a possible unforgettable story or experience. Its only trough the video games and fan-fiction that people began to hunt for reality in the fiction... eventually destroying that which they like.

It would be as if DooM would suddenly be compared to how reality functions... which obviously does not come close to doom... or starwars. Shoot a shotgun with reality based physics on an earth like planet at a jedi and its shish-kebab.

[SavageCorona]

Breezeep said:

Hardcore Gamer, please stop.

We need to make a change.org petition

[hardcore_gamer]

Inkie said:

Why not a flamethrower. Remove the whole projectile thing with a searing cloud of pain.

I think Jango actually has a flamethrower as well, which he does use.

Breezeep said:

Hardcore Gamer, please stop.

Never. Important topics like these must be explored.

HorrorMovieGuy said:

Maybe our gunpowder to them is what their lasers are to us, you know? Like, gunpowder is only a science fiction thing in their universe.

How can a society skip gunpowder but still invent lasers? And you do realize powder isn't just used for weapons right?

DoomUK said:

If a Jedi can deflect a laser blast moving at the speed of light, they can deflect bullets moving at a few thousand mph. As mentioned above, their number is irrelevant.

I think I heard somewhere in the EU that blasters don't actually fire lasers but some kind of heated gas/plasma. Makes more sense to me honestly since you can actually see the blaster bolts fly through the air which you could not do if they were lasers.

Gez said:

If laser swords can bounce back lasers, why didn't luke just use his lightsaber against the death stars?

Isn't the death star laser the size of a small city? I don't think the lightsaber would be able to block that lol.

[SavageCorona]

hardcore_gamer said:

Never. Important topics like these must be explored.

Maybe you should ask this on a Star Wars forum instead, they're more likely to have the answers you want. A Doom forum is less likely to have a high ratio of Star Wars fans.

[Avoozl]

The only weapon close to a shotgun in the Star Wars universe is the Flechette Launcher.

[dew]

hardcore_gamer said:

Isn't the death star laser the size of a small city? I don't think the lightsaber would be able to block that lol.

The idiotic unionized rebel socialists were just too stupid and ineffective to build a moon-sized lightsaber.