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Mordeth

Virus Warning

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Recently a new and particular nasty worm has been discovered, called "Loveletter". It distributes via the Outlook email program with a topic named "ILOVEYOU". It steals passwords, destroys system files containing several key extensions as well those with extension "jpg" and "mp3". Meanwhile a variant has surfaced that distributes itself under the topic "Susitikim shi vakara kavos puodukui". If you get an email with either one of those topics, delete / trash immediately.

More information on this worm and how to clean this one up can be found at F-Secure (and presumably at every major virus scanner's site by now). This might also be a good time to remind people to never ever execute email attachments.

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Guest Captain Napalm

Why do Virus programmers get so much pleasure from destroying other peoples property? Is it the power trip or are they just fucking dumb...I am not flaming all the Virús programmers out there, but those who send their Viruses out!

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Guest Anonymous User

I would Like to rip apart a virus programmer. I hate the fuckers.

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Viruses are written because they're interesting, hard projects. They're small and usually well-maintained (unlike Windows, therefore Windows is not a virus).


It also shows how MINDBOGGLINGLY IDIOTIC Microsoft is to have _no_ security precautions and to have email clients execute scripts just like that. I've been screaming about this for years now. Serves 'em right. If they refuse to do even the most limited security practices by default they get exactly what they deserve. But who gets blamed? The virus author, not the people who make it possible for this sort of thing in the first place. Only Microsoft could come up with a document virus.


Kaufman's Mail Warrior kicks the crap out of Outlook anyway. ;)

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Guest antaran

And so on, and so on... There are many of people who are blaming virus programers instead good protect their own programs. Virus maker is just a very good programist who want to check out his skils. Remember that he usualy do most work in assembler.

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Virus programmers make em cuz they gain popularity and public eye- this guy is world famous and its a little piss piece of Vbscript ffs! Also, how many linux viruses are there? And why's that?

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Guest Anonymous User

So, lemme get this straight. If I get shot and killed it's my fault for not wearing a bulletproof vest, not the fault of the guy pulling the trigger.

Ok. How's life on your planet?

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Why are there no Linux virii? Because Windows is used much more than Linux. Why would someone bother to make a Linux virus and take out several thousand computers when he can make a simple Visual Basic script and destroy millions? Of course I'm not sure how many people actually use Linux, but I can guarantee you that the average user would rather have Windows set everything up for them than compile their kernel and write their own video drivers. It's true, though, that Windows has thousands of security holes. But like I said, what good is an operating system if you can't even set the damn thing up? I myself would rather have the drivers set up automatically than to screw around for days and days trying to configure stuff.

As for the popularity, it's a personal thing. Yeah he screwed up a bunch of computers, but know one knows who he actually is. He can put up a webpage that says "1 wr0t3 th3 L0v3L3tt3r v1ru5, I'm a g0d n0w", but then again, so could I. There are probably hundreds of computers frads that went to school the next day and said "Yeah I wrote that LoveLetter virus".

Anyway, yes, virus programmers who write virii with the sole purpose of destruction should be hung by their wrists and ankles and be beaten with a barbed-wire cat o' nine tails and dipped in a mixture of sulphur.

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Guest Anonymous User

virii in linux ? LOL !! they don't exist because they are impossible to spread because of the secured system architecture. the only anti-virus for linux are mail scanners for stations used as mail servers. this iloveyou crap only infect shitdoze platforms and people hardly know it. ethh

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It's not a virus, it's a worm. The difference being that a worm doesn't infect something else (ie a program) as a carrier... it just sends itself around.

The thing about worms is that they can only exist by exploiting bugs and/or very, very lax security (which I'd consider a bug anyways :)... anyone else notice that all the major virus/worm/etc.. scares over the past couple of years have been the result of a lack of security in Microsoft products? *sigh*

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"On the IBM-compatible there are over 50.000 viruses." Wrong. On the WINDOWS operating system there are over 50,000 viruses. There are very few successful Linux/Unix viruses.

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Guest TheRequiem

First of all, no hacker is dumb. I was a hacker for 4 years, It was all about power and wich country owns the other. I am currently studying the Virus and it is a very simple code with a tight structure... I've never seen anything this small that can do so much. Someone has made something that I have long thought was impossible to do. The Virus had already destroyed over $1 billion in damage and has taken out major systems and company like "The Pentagon" and "AT & T", those are just a few. More will come. Goto: www.symantec.com to download the free trial anti virii control that destroys the "ILOVEYOU" virus.

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Guest Anonymous User

Any hacking-freak who writes viruses to destroy people's computers who they don't know should be ripped apart with a BFG9000.

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Guest Rebel

You can execute Visual Basic Scripts under any Email client that supports attatchments, so good bye to all your Mp3s and Jpegs.

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Guest Joel

I agree completely with the guy who wrote the "bulletproof vest" analogy. I can't believe people justify writing virii by saying it's Microsoft's fault for having so many security holes in their software. That's bullshit; an excuse, not a reason. Takes a lot of skill write a virus huh? Tell someone who gives a rats ass. All this point shows is what bloated egos virus programmers have. Virus writers are nothing more than "cyber" versions of vandals, arsonists and taggers. Just because something can be done, doesn't mean it should.

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Guest Anonymous User

<bold>You can execute Visual Basic Scripts under any Email client that supports attatchments</bold>

Yeah, but you have to open the attachment first. If you're smart, you won't go around opening suspicious-looking attachments.

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That theory is flawed. If you WERE wearing the bullet-proof vest, and a bullet went through it, the creators of the vest SHOULD be scorned for making a flawed product. That's more or less what this is like. However, it's not ENTIRELY Microsoft's fault - that virus writer guy should be kept in for a year or two of sodomy.

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Guest Carnage Galore

I have a nice, slightly used bulletproof vest if anyone wants it, and it has a money back guarantee if it fails to work.

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"On the IBM-compatible there are over 50.000 viruses." Wrong. On the WINDOWS operating system there are over 50,000 viruses. There are very few successful Linux/Unix viruses.

WRONG.

There are very few truly successful Windows viruses. Windows viruses get more attention and spread more quickly because more people use Windows and that means more losers.

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I haven't seen an actual virus for years.

1) I'm not popular so few have me in their address books.
2) I watch what I download religiously, like all good users do.
3) I rarely install any software I don't go over with a fine-toothed comb.

That, folks, is how I avoid ... embarassing incidents.

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Guest Aftershock

When was the last time anyone actually did anything usefull with the scripting capabilities of outlook? Personally, such a feature just invites this method of tampering. Every single one of these e-mail worms has specifically targeted Microsoft's e-mail client. It's like it sits there and screams "HACK ME, HACK ME, PLEASE!!" I use netcape's mail client, and if one of the few people with me in their address book was to get hit, the worm would not be able to do it's thing on my system, because the script wouldn't run. My two cents on the whole issue. ---AFTERSHOCK

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Guest Jim Bentler

<B>Virus programmers are responsible for the harm they cause, not Microsoft.</B> However, its in large part Microsoft's fault that it is so easy to spread these worms. They have many too few security measures. <P>Unfortunately though, there's plenty of blame to go around for the ease and speed with which these worms spread. People want programs like Outlook because they are so easy to use. These programs are too easy to use. People who don't know much of anything about computers can use such programs. You know the type. They're the same people who think that their computer hates them and are always asking you for your help. Perhaps if it required a little more effort to use e-mail these people would be forced to <I>learn something about computers</I>.</P> I myself use hotmail, which is of course owned by Microsoft. It is better than Outlook because I can check my e-mail from anywhere where there's a computer with internet access. It also does not allow the spread of worms like this one because the address book is on a webpage instead of an easy to hack into program.</P> <P><A HREF="mailto:jimbentler@hotmail.com">Jim Bentler</A></P>

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Oh no, say good bye to your porn jpgs and illegal (most likely) mp3s. Heh. Probably Metallica too, you bastards!

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Guest Anonymous User

The just don't open anything entitled "ILOVEYOU" then. Why would you, anyways? The modern public is so stupid and blind.

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Why so much bitchin'? I get a cold once in a while, sometimes it rains when I live and don't complain. No virus ever blew up my sceen in my face. Back-up your stuff, tell your neighbour, but don't whine. It's cheap and not all DAMAGE is "so bad." AIDS is worse, anyway.

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Guest Rez

There are only about 2000 (TWO THOUSAND, not FIFTY THOUSAND) distinct PC-based viruses (defined as code that piggybacks on the boot sector or on an executable), across all platforms, of which only about 200 are commonly seen in the wild. There are another 14,000 or so *minor* variants, which don't really deserve to be called separate viruses (often the difference is as small as a change in the internal text or in the activation date; the only reason the minor variants are counted is because one of the antivirus companies started counting them to make their product *look* WAY better than the competition, and everyone else had to start doing the same thing, or look bad in the eyes of the ignorant public). There are about 4000 distinct macro viruses and innumerable minor variants, since some macro viruses are self-modifying (often due to bugs). If you're using an email client such as Outlook Express that autoexecutes VBA scripts, you do NOT need to open the attachment to execute a VBA trojan or worm ("I LOVE YOU" is technically a worm/trojan hybrid, not a virus). It is sufficient to have the carrier message come up in the preview pane. The organizations that have been hit hard were running M$ Exchange Server *without* a firewall that quarantines attachments.

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Guest [Mantra]

I don't give a damn about how many virii there are out there ready to destroy my saucy p166. I still take a lot of precautions. This ILOVEYOU virus shouldnt touch any of you guys because you should all be smart enough to recognize the possibility of it hitting you but youd be prepared to simply delete it.

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Has anyone here actually seen it? Just curious.

Rez is correct. Antivirus software companies count all those FORM.A FORM.B FORM.ZZZZZ as different viruses when in reality they are minor (really minor) variants on the same code. In reality, there are really few viruses that hit our computers. (Like any of you have actually seen FORM on a modern computer lately ...)

All the same, I just disabled the preview pane in Outlook--no sense in taking chances.

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Microsoft released a patch for all versions of Outlook that asks you whether or not you wanted to run an attachment (no matter what the type it is) when you tried to open the message.

Unfortunately it doesn't come with any Outlook package except for O2K SR1 and later.

It can be downloaded at officeupdate.microsoft.com, however.

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