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[kristus]

I beleive Gemini was aiming at that, there's so much more people in the world that live in pain and starvasion everyday(and die by it). Unlike these people that had 30 minutes of of pain, and I beleive he question the fact that you feel so sorry for these people that died pretty fast and not for these that got a life of pain.

[Guest Excalibur_Z]

According to Colin Powell's direct statement on bin Laden, "He's the biggest terrorist in the world and not a drop of human compassion runs in his veins"... you're no better than that Saudi criminal.

I have nothing more to say to you.

[Waldon]

You are disgusting Gemini. I will try to make something clear. We ALL know that the US isn't a saint, they have done much shit too. But a GOVERNEMNT'S acts don't justify killing CIVILIANS. Yes we know the US had hit civilians too, but never like terrorists. Civilians die in wars, that's a very sad but usually unavoidable thing... but that doesn't justify killing innocent people either. Tell all those families that their loved ones deserved their death because the government did something in somewhere years ago. Learn the damn difference between the government and citizens.

[inferno_45]

I could say a lot of things about you but this one word just about sums it up: disgusting.
Rot in hell you dick sucking bastard.

[inferno_45]

Lets just go ahead and kill Ben Laden. If he turns out innocent, oh well. Hes a terrorist anyway.

[Fredrik]

don't make it worse by insulting like he does...

[mystic]

I agree Bin laden and his evil hordes should be wiped out, I have thought so since the early eighties when he was murdering Russians (and Afghans) in Afghanistan with the support, arms and training of US special forces. He even had American and British special forces 'mercenaries' in his terrorist army.

Did you hate Osman Bin Laden back then? Or did you think he was one of the good guys fighting for democracy and freedom as your government keeps harping on about.

I detest any country that harbours and supports these kind of people but unlike you I include the USA among them and to a lesser extent my own country, which was a base of operations for the Italian Fascist terrorists who bombed Bologna train station in the 1980s (we had Thatcher in power back then) These Italians were living it up in central London under the nose of a government minister who actually lived in the same building. They were not extradited because the Italians never requested it.

We both live in countries that are experts at hiding the evil deeds they are responsible for all over the world. They dont do it for democracy and freedom but for big business and armaments manufacturers.

George Bush is in his glory now that he can be a hard man with everyones blessing, the same goes for Tony Blair. They dont really care who the culprit was as long as they can have their little war against a soft target and dish out more billions to the weapons manufacturers.

George Bush carefully says he will attack countries who harbour anti-American terrorists. What about all the other Terrorists then.

[Guest Excalibur_Z]

Problems of their own respective countries. The 1979 Soviet attack on Afghanistan was before my time. I was born in 1982. I had never even heard of bin Laden until 1993 when the World Trade Center basement was bombed. From what I have read of the relatively new Taliban government, they are disgusting, unpopular, and feudal. It is clear they must be removed from power in the name of peace, otherwise neighboring countries deal with problems of illegal immigrants. You must put more faith in your legal system and government - America sometimes makes mistakes but unless it is truly horrible they are forgiven. The Gestapo-like seize of Elian Gonzalez, that was inexcusable. Accidental bombings of a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan and an empty barracks in Libya, that was also inexcusable. However honest-to-God mistakes can be forgiven. The terrorist attacks on New York and Washington were deliberate and premeditated, so must also be the counterattack.

War increases commerce and bin Laden deserves a fate to be chosen by his enemies, so what's the problem? A violent, unpredictable, vile, sadistic kingpin is killed and his legions of militants are dispersed and incommunicado... I fail to see the problem.

You should never hate or disrespect the country you live in. If you don't like its actions, take steps to make changes. That is what America is based on (although I don't think I can say quite the same for England).

[Rellik]

Gemini, you're barely human. Think about all that Americans have done to help other countries. What the fuck have any of these middle-east countries ever done? The US and Canada travel around the world keeping the peace and defending the defenceless, but still we are all evil and deserve to die? Countries that harbor terrorists deserve to be bombed to oblivion then, in your thinking because they've attacked others, or is it okay for them to kill civilians? By your thinking we'd be justified in flying a passenger plane into a palestinian residential area then? You can't have it one way, but not the other. Here's hoping you get cancer on your face. :p

[fyrestorm]

i love canada.

[YicklePigeon]

I hate England, I'm english, born in England but hate it all the same.

Tony Blair is horsecrap, all he wants is a nice photoshoot of him and his baby and public support.

But their's anarchy in Britain atm, the NHS (National Health Service) is a shambles, rail networks now have the lowest safety margin ever, hate groups are trying to get rid of asylum seeker's who come here and just disappear, and who dont need to live in England at all (Australia has my full support, dont let any of the bastards in).

Let me expain: they come to england, get food stamps and some money, a place to live, in a few weeks they can work, they get full state benefits until they start work, they MAY get private healthcare too. All at the taxpayer's (the public) expense.

Native whitepink's, blacks, tanned or whatever, who were born here or lived here legally for over 10 years dont get this treatment. We all wait on housing waiting lists for an opportunity but these asylum seeker's get a place instantly, we dont get private healthcare for free EVEN IF WE NEEDED it because Blair think's we've got the NHS which he think's is in great condition, on the benefit's front think about 10 forms all asking the same questions in different ways, or in other words, we have to jump through hoops just to get 1 state benefit.

Earlier on this year, in a place in a south england housing estate, parents dont want to let their kid's out anymore because when they were out, and the asylum seeker's came, the kids wanted to play with their kid's and that came to a halt when "patrols" started and the kid's could'nt play out anymore for fear of being hurt or just verbally abused.

So Mr Bush, before you accept Blair's generous offer of support, just remember what state he's left Britain in, DONT LET THAT HAPPEN TO THE US.

[mystic]

I think you will find that living conditions for the poor in the USA are much worse than here in the UK. In the USA there is no NHS, hospitals turn patients away if they dont have any medical insurance. Benefits for the unemployed are paltry compared to the UK, hence the high crime rate in the poorer areas of their cities.

I think you must be quite young to be coming out with the BS you just posted here, that would account for the racist slant of your comments.

What would you do with asylum seekers apart from turn them away, make them live on the streets in cardboard boxes?

Dont attack those unfortunate people just because our government is ignoring the conditions of the poor, all governments do that because you cant make much profit from poor people. I happen to be living off state benefit just now and yes it is difficult, but my problems are paltry compared with those who are fleeing oppressive islamic fundamentalist regimes like the Taliban. I welcome these people. If I had my way I would export all the racist bigots to somewhere like Afghanistan and give them a taste of their own medicine

[mystic]

The Soviet Union did not attack Afghanistan.
Afghanistan had a Socialist government and was fighting a civil war against islamic fundamentalists. Tha Afghan army only numbered 30,000 at the time and was losing the fight so they asked their Soviet friends for help. The western cold war propaganda machine soon referred to this help as an invasion, surprisingly at the start we were told the truth here in the UK but soon the lies started here too.
The main guiding force behind the islamic rebels was the USA and the CIA, these are documented facts. These Afghan rebels and their American (and British) mercenary friends exported a quarter of the worlds heroin at that time, with the complicity of the US government agencies, moving the stuff through Pakistan.
This is how Osman Bin Laden got started, with your governments blessing, if you dont believe me check it out. The ex director of the CIA of that period has probably written his memoirs by now, you find some interesting stuff in books like that.

[Guest The Gemini]

seems to be u only see one line of my entire post and reply to that only

123, youre supposed to snap out of hypnotism now.

[mystic]

Hey Rellik, America only helps when there is a profit to be made, you can bet that any aid from the USA has some sort of deal as the price.

[NiGHTMARE]

<< Hey NiGHTMARE, read all my posts before you respond. You won't sounds like such a dumbass. >>

You're the one who talked about killing scores of innocent people, and who seemed to think that the palestinians are behind this when it's obviously bin laden and co.

Who's the dumbass again? And stop bastardising english, it's ARSE. Ass = donkey.

[YicklePigeon]

ok, he's doing comments on everyone else (including me) so why not him?

One: I already know about the US and their citizen's not being able to go into a hospital for a without without a medical card. A female friend of mine in the US left her's in Florida (now in Kentucky) and she's just kicking herself, she's gotta wait now for either a new one or if relatives send it to her should they find it.

Two: everyone has their opinion, and entitled to say it. You have yours and I have mine ok? I hate england. I'm struggling to support an £8.99 a month ISP for christ sake :

All I was saying was: Our conditions are bad, and I just dont want to see people who are'nt even born here getting stuff that our own either cant, or have to wait long periods of time for is all.

No one likes "hey look at me I'm getting all this cool stuff!" thrown in there face when they have very little in comparison. That's probably why I dont like them at all.

And to suggest I'd have them live in cardboard boxes on the street is wrong, I could not do that, there are those who were born here, go somewhere else to live, and want to come back to the UK. They have to go through proper official channels, these asylum seekers get in without trouble. Ok, so they MAY be coming from a bad area and need help, but thousands? It looks pathetic to me when they're walking up the Channel Tunnel at the risk of themselves and all that are on a train.

Maybe they're that bad off in terms of health and money state's that they're risking to do this. But there's a reason why Australia turn's these people away: the public dont WANT THEM THERE, because they take money and dont give back quick, a friend from Germany had to have qualifications just to be considered to get into Australia, fortunately he's there now.

The point being: other people have to wait upto a year, and that's only to get access and permission to stay. Asylum seeker's should all go into camp's where there applications are sorted and we all then know where they are. I know they're not criminals (no one is until they commit a crime) and perhaps they should'nt be treated this way, but gotta keep track of them or they might disappear. If no asylum seeker disappeared then there would'nt be a need for camps would there?

And my point about Blair was: he's made a shambles of the UK, it used to be great, strong education, strong military, strong NHS, now education is being turned upside down with "new methods" and constant undermining of teachers some with lack of training - rushed to fill posts, it's estimated within a few years there'll be 70,000 positions unfilled. At least Blair can say he created jobs I guess.

I just dont want other more advanced countries going down to our or below our level because of Big Ears the 2nd.

[mystic]

I think we have all got a bit carried away on this topic and maybe we should try and calm down.

Its easy to understand the anger felt by everyone about Tuesday 11 September. I know I come across as a Yank hater sometimes as do a few others here, but I really do share the shock and revulsion at the massive loss of life. This sort of thing is an affront to humanity, wherever it happens. That is why I am angered by the ease with which some people are willing to see countless more lives snuffed out by way of a revenge war.

I am not a Christian, a Jew or a Moslem, I am actually an Atheist and it is times like these that convince me that all religion leads to evil.

When is all this violence and hatred going to end? How many deaths on either side is enough?

Are Atheists the only people on the planet who really think killing people is wrong.

[ShadyXMR]

Gokuma: YES, EXACTLY, REPUBLICANS ARE LYING SKANKS THAT WANT TO ACTUALLY DEFEND THE COUNTRY INSTEAD OF GRANT THE TERRORISTS' NATIONS TRADING CONCESSIONS LIKE THOSE OH SO RIGHTEOUS DEMOKRATS WANT TO DO!!!111

My dad says we're gonna have a war. I'm fucking scared.

We are. Make no mistake about that.

Eh, you can't torture them or bomb their countries and kill more of THEIR INNOCENT people. That is purely unamerican. We should be going after the terrorists themselves and any governments that choose to support or harbor them.

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Now, If their whole country started to fuck with u<font size=1><samp>/quote]
ARE YOU BLIND? If you have three brain cells then you can obviously see that this is STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM, which means that indeed an entire country IS fucking with us.

WWIII? Hope not, especially not the "On The Beach" version. That is scary and depressing for those who have not read that book. Nuclear war isn't fun. It will be a war, but ground invasions, air strikes, cruise missiles...

Hate leads to hate and that leads to fighting, fighting leads to violence and violence leads to war and war leads to hate and the cycle will continue.

Welcome to the human existence.

[quote[/b]y the way you can hardly call the terrorists who flew the planes 'cowards'. I wouldn't consider sacrificing my own life for something I deeply believed in (and they obviously did, however misplaced it was) to be cowardly.

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You sir, need to be urinated upon. Any act that murders innocent people is cowardly, it doesn't matter if they believe in their purpose or not you cumsicle.

He said that we need to kill people ASAP

NO

we will not tolerate terrorism

YES

Shoot down the planes? The government would then be overthrown for murder upon its own citizens. Yeah, that would've been smart. They can't shoot it down because most hijackers don't crash planes into buildings, they land them or some shit and demand money or whatever they want.

In any event, I have thought this to death and I have found a peace within myself because I wrote down everything that was bothering me about it or that I was thinking. I wrote it down and I haven't thought about it as intensely has I have.

Bottom line: Bush will LAY THE SMACK DOWN. "Make no mistake, your armed forces are ready."

[ShadyXMR]

Damn, what the hell happened to my I made a poopie...

Gokuma: YES, EXACTLY, REPUBLICANS ARE LYING SKANKS THAT WANT TO ACTUALLY DEFEND THE COUNTRY INSTEAD OF GRANT THE TERRORISTS' NATIONS TRADING CONCESSIONS LIKE THOSE OH SO RIGHTEOUS DEMOKRATS WANT TO DO!!!111

My dad says we're gonna have a war. I'm fucking scared.

We are. Make no mistake about that.

Eh, you can't torture them or bomb their countries and kill more of THEIR INNOCENT people. That is purely unamerican. We should be going after the terrorists themselves and any governments that choose to support or harbor them.

Now, If their whole country started to fuck with us

ARE YOU BLIND? If you have three brain cells then you can obviously see that this is STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM, which means that indeed an entire country IS fucking with us.

WWIII? Hope not, especially not the "On The Beach" version. That is scary and depressing for those who have not read that book. Nuclear war isn't fun. It will be a war, but ground invasions, air strikes, cruise missiles...

Hate leads to hate and that leads to fighting, fighting leads to violence and violence leads to war and war leads to hate and the cycle will continue.

Welcome to the human existence.

[quote[/b]y the way you can hardly call the terrorists who flew the planes 'cowards'. I wouldn't consider sacrificing my own life for something I deeply believed in (and they obviously did, however misplaced it was) to be cowardly. [/quote]You sir, need to be urinated upon. Any act that murders innocent people is cowardly, it doesn't matter if they believe in their purpose or not you cumsicle.

He said that we need to kill people ASAP

NO

we will not tolerate terrorism

YES

Shoot down the planes? The government would then be overthrown for murder upon its own citizens. Yeah, that would've been smart. They can't shoot it down because most hijackers don't crash planes into buildings, they land them or some shit and demand money or whatever they want.

In any event, I have thought this to death and I have found a peace within myself because I wrote down everything that was bothering me about it or that I was thinking. I wrote it down and I haven't thought about it as intensely has I have.

Bottom line: Bush will LAY THE SMACK DOWN. "Make no mistake, your armed forces are ready."

[YicklePigeon]

I agree on "time to calm down" score, I also agree on the aethiest front. I'm aethiest, I dont think violence is always the answer, but killing innocents in any country would make us as bad as the people who done in the WTC+Pentagon.

I believe religion causes war's and atrocities. Look through history everyone and actually read something, it's typically a person's viewsbeliefs that start wars and get people like you and me killed.

I dont want to die, not for anyone, I want to live till it's the day before I'm 65 so I dont have to stop working, and I've still got my faculties, might sound selfish there, maybe I am, I just want to go out of this world having accomplished something which does'nt involve a war, and go out in near perfect condition. Is that too much to ask everyone?

Ok, rant over - time to delete this thread now?

[Guest The Gemini]

violence is the selution sometimes, nowadays most times as people do whatever they want. america has done everything they've wanted to. how can u know that america arent doing scientific experiments on humans, killing innocents in the far east/south america/america itself, that they export the drugs, hand over some to the blacks and send the cops to go get em, put the blacks behind bars and take the drugs themselves and blabla.

i saw a documentary on norwegian tv once, america had donated money to a norwegian scientist (who was really good at what he was doing, even ha access to american military bases and shit), to experiment on humans after ww2, to control their minds. now they have found a better way to control minds, not directly but they still control yours. media is brainwashing the whole world, u just dont see the big picture.

violence isnt a natural thing in religion, but in the Koran it does say it can be the selution in certain situations. to mystic and that other guy: being a 'astheic' or whatever u called it isnt the answer to peace, the point with religion is to realize there is a God, not to end up in hell since God created us, people should be grateful for everything they have. peace on earth which wont last forever isnt better then eternity in paradise. sacrifices always must be made, to try to see this from the so called 'terrorists' point of view, think back to terminator2, he killed people, in the end he killed himself, and i bet all ya was feelin sorry for him and lookin at him as some sort of hero. cause basically, he did it all to kill one evil person. in this case these people did it to hurt usa which is the evil part. still fuck all of u who feel sorry for america and goes out screamin lets get even, cause the other parts of the world are still not even with america.

[Guest The Gemini]

I'M A FUCKFACE

[Guest The Gemini]

little piece of shit, how many hours did u spend finding my password just to write one single gay line which shows youre so fuckin ignorant u seem like a 12 year old to me

[Guest The Gemini]

I REPEAT: I AM A FUCKFACE

[Guest The Gemini]

LET ME REITERATE: I AM A FUCKFACE

[Rellik]

That's right Gemini, the first step towards recovery is realizing you're a fuck face.

LOL

[Rellik]

That's right Gemini, the first step towards recovery is realizing you're a fuck face.

LOL