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The following is a recorded conversation of two doom editers trying to get a wad to work. Ralhpis' wad works on his machine -but not on Chester's. It's your mission to find out why...

ralphis sfr6: hhmm
Chesterules: well?
ralphis sfr6: hhmmyou have doom2?
ralphis sfr6: i have an idea
Chesterules: ok
Chesterules: do it
ralphis sfr6: i will make it doom2 and then give it to you and then convert it back to doom1
ralphis sfr6: ok
ralphis sfr6: ok
ralphis sfr6: listen up
ralphis sfr6: you will need to realign the map so the flats are in the right place
ralphis sfr6: otherwise the teleporters look wrong
ralphis sfr6: but you toy with it
Chesterules: align flats?
Chesterules: err...
Chesterules: flats are the floor and sceilings?
ralphis sfr6: it is only on the 2 teleporters
ralphis sfr6: you just got to move the teleporters over
Chesterules: but you can do that?
ralphis sfr6: just do it yourself
ralphis sfr6: it went along with converting the map to doom2
Chesterules: hmm... I'm lost
Chesterules: oh well
Chesterules: they'll just have to look wrong
ralphis sfr6: if you play this straight off doom2 you cant beat it
ralphis sfr6: ok listen
ralphis sfr6: it wont be hard
ralphis sfr6: you will see what i mean
ralphis sfr6: you only gotta move a sector over!
ralphis sfr6: sent
Chesterules: ah, ok
Chesterules: no prob
ralphis sfr6: wait
ralphis sfr6: it aint
Chesterules: ?
ralphis sfr6: it should be now
Chesterules: should be what?
ralphis sfr6: SENT!
ralphis sfr6: are you drunk?>
Chesterules: no - high
ralphis sfr6: oh ok
Chesterules: yhou sure it's sent?
ralphis sfr6: thats why you seem extremely dumb
Chesterules: yeah.
ralphis sfr6: give it a few minutes
ralphis sfr6: the internet is congested here
Chesterules: so all I gotta do is move it so it fits on the 64 grid?
Chesterules: right?
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: thats all i was saying
Chesterules: k
ralphis sfr6: now does that seem so hard?
Chesterules: no, no, not at all
ralphis sfr6: you know how to convert it to Doom1 right?
Chesterules: probably
ralphis sfr6: ok, right
Chesterules: lol
Chesterules: i'll figure it out
ralphis sfr6: you really are high man
ralphis sfr6: look
ralphis sfr6: this is what you do
Chesterules: deep97 is pretty good
ralphis sfr6: go into doom1 mode and copy the map
Chesterules: no man, i got it under control
ralphis sfr6: then close it and go into doom2 mode
ralphis sfr6: wait
ralphis sfr6: ok
ralphis sfr6: i was saying it wrong anyways
Chesterules: yeah...
Chesterules: whose high?
ralphis sfr6: youi
Chesterules: this year would be better than next
Chesterules: but if the internet is so congested that I have to wait till then, so be it
ralphis sfr6: what?!
Chesterules: the level hasn't sent
ralphis sfr6: actually i just found out i never sent it
Chesterules: whose high?
ralphis sfr6: it sent now
Chesterules: you sure about that ralhpy?
ralphis sfr6: yea i am
ralphis sfr6: and it is spelled ralphie
Chesterules: yeah well - I can't type so good like.
ralphis sfr6: ok
ralphis sfr6: well check and see if it is there now
Chesterules: I did a thousand times
Chesterules: it's not there ralphster, it's just not there.
ralphis sfr6: do it again !
ralphis sfr6: well it will be
Chesterules: come the next coming
Chesterules: finally
Chesterules: small littel bugger
Chesterules: little even
ralphis sfr6: yea
Chesterules: so this is a doom2 map?
ralphis sfr6: ...
ralphis sfr6: man, gotta lay off on the frugs
Chesterules: map01?
ralphis sfr6: er
ralphis sfr6: drugs
Chesterules: actually, I don't do drugs
ralphis sfr6: no
Chesterules: Losers don't do drugs.
ralphis sfr6: i had to make it doom2 so it would send
ralphis sfr6: now make it a doom1 map
Chesterules: I mean, Winners don't do drugs.
ralphis sfr6: haha
Chesterules: rigth - just gonna see if it will play as doom2
Chesterules: map 01?
ralphis sfr6: yea, it will
ralphis sfr6: but
ralphis sfr6: it wont look right and you cant win because there is no 666 tag
Chesterules: what map does it replace damnit?
Chesterules: if it's map 01 - it don't work.
Chesterules: map 30?
ralphis sfr6: what is wrong with my map?!
Chesterules: what map does it replace in doom2?
Chesterules: I want to make sure it'll work
ralphis sfr6: 1
Chesterules: well - it didn't wrok
Chesterules: wrok
Chesterules: work
ralphis sfr6: AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
ralphis sfr6: why me!?
Chesterules: cause you are cursed
ralphis sfr6: there must be an error in the map
Chesterules: dunno
Chesterules: it's odd
Chesterules: i'll try opening it in doom2
ralphis sfr6: yea
Chesterules: err - deep97 - in doom2 mode
ralphis sfr6: this never happened before
Chesterules: same thing -- won't load
ralphis sfr6: WHY??!!!!!!!!???????
Chesterules: when you play it it works?
ralphis sfr6: i will rebuild it
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: works fine for me
ralphis sfr6: your the second person it wont work for
Chesterules: odd - very odd indeed
Chesterules: doesn't make a shred of sense
Chesterules: unless I have the wrong version of something or other
ralphis sfr6: no
ralphis sfr6: it dont
Chesterules: but it own't eve4n open in the editor
Chesterules: that's what's weird
ralphis sfr6: no
ralphis sfr6: it is fine on yours
ralphis sfr6: trust me
ralphis sfr6: i know
ralphis sfr6: (crying)
Chesterules: lol
Chesterules: gaggoomy
ralphis sfr6: hhmm
ralphis sfr6: should i make a new map?
Chesterules: well wht to do?
Chesterules: I know - get deepsea shareware
ralphis sfr6: ok
Chesterules: mark all the sectors in your map in wadauthor
ralphis sfr6: then what?
ralphis sfr6: see if i can open it there?
Chesterules: and paste them in deepsea
Chesterules: then save it
ralphis sfr6: ok
Chesterules: before saving - press F10 then B.
Chesterules: after you have it all set up of course.
ralphis sfr6: F10 B?
ralphis sfr6: whats that do?
Chesterules: F10 is the checker
Chesterules: don't worry about F10 untill you're in the editor
Chesterules: and after you've pasted your level into Deepsea
Chesterules: B tells the level checker to search for all errors
ralphis sfr6: ok
Chesterules: let me know when you're done dling it.
Chesterules: www.sbsoftware.com
ralphis sfr6: i used to have it
ralphis sfr6: but i got rid of it cuz i didnt like it
Chesterules: it's all I know - so I naturally wouldn't know if it is good or not
ralphis sfr6: ah
Chesterules: are you dling it?
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: DEEPSEA?
ralphis sfr6: deep97 aint up there
Chesterules: deepsea deep97 - nod iffer ence
ralphis sfr6: ok
Chesterules: node iff erence
Chesterules: no difference
Chesterules: sorry
Chesterules: you got a slow modem, there, johnny?
ralphis sfr6: i have a 56k
ralphis sfr6: and it can cook
ralphis sfr6: just congested around here tonight
Chesterules: it is saturday
Chesterules: after all
ralphis sfr6: remember i live right outside philly
Chesterules: right
Chesterules: 86%?
Chesterules: 86% done?
Chesterules: where's your dl at?
ralphis sfr6: huh
ralphis sfr6: i dont know
ralphis sfr6: 40%
Chesterules: jeezus!
ralphis sfr6: im reconnecting
Chesterules: getright
ralphis sfr6: what?
Chesterules: you use getright?
ralphis sfr6: i have file resume
ralphis sfr6: i can pick up where i left off
Chesterules: k
ralphis sfr6: if i reconnect it will run faster
ralphis sfr6 signed off at 9:47:19 PM.
ralphis sfr6 signed on at 9:54:21 PM.
ralphis sfr6: ok
ralphis sfr6: alot faster now
Chesterules: good good
ralphis sfr6: i am using a different dialup
Chesterules: all the west coasters went to bed
ralphis sfr6: huh?
ralphis sfr6: why?
ralphis sfr6: its only 6:45 there
Chesterules: cause it's late - and they gotta sleep
Chesterules: woops
Chesterules: wrong way
Chesterules: n/m
Chesterules: no - it's not hte weed
ralphis sfr6: ....
Chesterules: the even
ralphis sfr6: oh ok
ralphis sfr6: i know you mispelled it
ralphis sfr6: unless you make a major mistake you dont need to correct yourself
Chesterules: so why you say something when I wrote ralhpie? obviously you could tel..
Chesterules: ahh - you make up your mind - eh?
Chesterules: which is it gonna be - correct myself or no?
ralphis sfr6: well that was my name!
Chesterules: I'll correct myself if you want to - lol
ralphis sfr6: you dont mispell my name!
Chesterules: oh - sorry - your name! - jeez, don't want to mispeell you're *name*!
Chesterules: it's not even your doggam name!
ralphis sfr6: actually
Chesterules: I'm not dislexic - it's not true.
ralphis sfr6: it is
Chesterules: lol
Chesterules: really?
Chesterules: heh
ralphis sfr6: well you know
ralphis sfr6: it is a version of it
Chesterules: ppl call you ralphy?
Chesterules: Hey ya ralphy? What's goin' on ralphy?
ralphis sfr6: shut up!
Chesterules: here Ralphy, Ralphy - here boy!
Chesterules: lol
ralphis sfr6: um
ralphis sfr6: only my family calls me that
Chesterules: lol
Chesterules: sorry - I can't contain myself
Chesterules: ifree kinda blows, eh?
ralphis sfr6: huh?
ralphis sfr6: ifreedom
ralphis sfr6: no, i was using netzero
Chesterules: oh
ralphis sfr6: with no banner ads
ralphis sfr6: ifreedom is faster
Chesterules: eh?
ralphis sfr6: nevermind
Chesterules: 52% yet?
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: past
Chesterules: wow - it really shot up in speed htere
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: i know
ralphis sfr6: it is like at 70
Chesterules: jeezus!
ralphis sfr6: exactly
ralphis sfr6: 71
ralphis sfr6: 72
Chesterules: how many k/sec you geting?
Chesterules: chuggin' right along
ralphis sfr6: 1.88 but that is wrong
ralphis sfr6: it is runnin way faster
Chesterules: I'd hope so
Chesterules: 4.88 is more like it
ralphis sfr6: i am connected at 51000
Chesterules: wtf!!!!!!!!
Chesterules: you bastard!
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: on my 56k
ralphis sfr6: hehe
Chesterules: christ
Chesterules: never herad of such high connections
ralphis sfr6: me nither@
Chesterules: 49333 best I ever did
ralphis sfr6: i guess i have good luck and bad luck
Chesterules: after two days - never saw that speed again
Chesterules: very odd.
Chesterules: heeh
ralphis sfr6: 80%
Chesterules: jesus
Chesterules: flying carrots on rockets
ralphis sfr6: mwahaha!
ralphis sfr6: my modem is like a mini cable modem
Chesterules: heeh
Chesterules: BOLD NEW WORLD
ralphis sfr6: 92%
Chesterules: wow
Chesterules: be done in 4 minutes
Chesterules: 98%
ralphis sfr6: done
Chesterules: sheehs
Chesterules: well - let's hope dis verks
Chesterules: where you at?
ralphis sfr6: oh wait!
ralphis sfr6: if linedefs have no sides can it mess the map up?
Chesterules: lol!
ralphis sfr6: can it?
Chesterules: sure
Chesterules: it ain't good
ralphis sfr6: damnit!
ralphis sfr6: that is probably it
Chesterules: but - I'm not sure that it could be your problem
Chesterules: maybe, though
ralphis sfr6: well that gave some of the cool effects to the map
Chesterules: hmm...
Chesterules: well - I don't htink that's your problem...
ralphis sfr6: cuz monsters came out of the floor
ralphis sfr6: hhmm
Chesterules: no lower texture?
ralphis sfr6: yea
Chesterules: no prob
ralphis sfr6: no lower texture
ralphis sfr6: hhmm
ralphis sfr6: how about my imps under the pillars that rise up?
Chesterules: I thought you were saying no sidefs on a linedef
Chesterules: hmm. . no
Chesterules: can't imagine
ralphis sfr6: yea, ive seen these things done before
Chesterules: well, whatcha doin"
Chesterules: ????

ralphis sfr6: im workin on our site
Chesterules: ¦h_¦h
Chesterules: wtf?
Chesterules: did you try what I suggested?
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: the F10 B thing?
Chesterules: so it's in deep97?
Chesterules: and can you save it?
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: ill try savin it
Chesterules: that's the whole point
Chesterules: you save it - send it to me - it works with me.
ralphis sfr6: ok
Chesterules: don't change any of the effects though
ralphis sfr6: i didnt
Chesterules: those aren't hte reason it ain't workiking
Chesterules: k good
ralphis sfr6: sent
Chesterules: sweet
Chesterules: doom 1 , right?
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: work?
Chesterules: hmm...
Chesterules: no
ralphis sfr6: ...
ralphis sfr6: are you serious?
Chesterules: sorry to be --
Chesterules: did you do any boom/zdoom type things in the level?
Chesterules: or is it 100% compatible with original doom.
ralphis sfr6: 100% original
ralphis sfr6: hhmm
ralphis sfr6: i got an idea
Chesterules: well, wtf.
Chesterules: ?
ralphis sfr6: ill remove all monsters.
ralphis sfr6: and things
ralphis sfr6: then send it to you
Chesterules: k.
Chesterules: new name, thogh
ralphis sfr6: maybe then it will work
Chesterules: don't overwrite!
ralphis sfr6: i know
Chesterules: then you're not a dumb as you look...
Chesterules: wait...
ralphis sfr6: what?
Chesterules: wait.. I don't know what you look like!
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: no kiddin
ralphis sfr6: oh
ralphis sfr6: should i get rid of teleportation sports too?
ralphis sfr6: spots
ralphis sfr6: i think i found it!
ralphis sfr6: what about cieling hieghts
ralphis sfr6: would that ruin a map?
ralphis sfr6: if something was very high?
Chesterules: lower than the floor?
Chesterules: how high!
Chesterules: 4096
ralphis sfr6: no
Chesterules: I've done 32,000
Chesterules: I think 32,000 is the limit
ralphis sfr6: floor -1000 ceiling 256
ralphis sfr6: yea
Chesterules: nope
ralphis sfr6: ive done 32000 too
Chesterules: not the problem
ralphis sfr6: hhmm
Chesterules: hehe
Chesterules: I've done some whacked out wads
ralphis sfr6: me too
ralphis sfr6: im workin on a city one where you need to use zdoom and put falling damage on. it is new york city and you start on the twin towers. you need to jump to the other tower or you die
Chesterules: heeh - cool
Chesterules: I did one with damage had to be on
ralphis sfr6: yea
Chesterules: sorry - I broke off in mid sentence..
Chesterules: ... damage had to be on and there were no monsters
Chesterules: you just had to figure out how to jump chasms
Chesterules: and get by puzzles and what not
Chesterules: kinda fun - but I never really finished it
Chesterules: I NEVER finish any of my wads!
ralphis sfr6: i like logical maps
ralphis sfr6: i never finish any of mine wither
ralphis sfr6: i always start a map and i work on it for a day and drop it
ralphis sfr6: and it lays in my hd
Chesterules: Mine don't wither - I just don't finish them ... uhh.
Chesterules: yep
Chesterules: same here
Chesterules: millions of start ups
Chesterules: only like 3 finished works.
Chesterules: that's why this episode project is so hard for me
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: i was going to make a doom2 tc back in the day but then i realized mymaps sucked
ralphis sfr6: i had 9 maps done and i stole 2
Chesterules: heh
ralphis sfr6: should i take out player maps?
ralphis sfr6: i mean
ralphis sfr6: starts
Chesterules: hmm.. kinda doubt this is gonna help - but leave in just player starts
ralphis sfr6: i already took them out
Chesterules: well - might as well get rid of em too
ralphis sfr6: add them yourself
Chesterules: I can always put em in again
Chesterules: yes.
Chesterules: :)-
ralphis sfr6: sent my dear friend
ralphis sfr6: work?
Chesterules: hmm
Chesterules: nothing at all happens
Chesterules: before I was getting error messages
Chesterules: but now - just nothing
ralphis sfr6: .....
ralphis sfr6: really?
ralphis sfr6: ill open it in wintex
Chesterules: odditiy at it's pinnacle
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: i have never heard of this
Chesterules: I'm baffled
Chesterules: e4m8.wad - the baffler
ralphis sfr6: ...
ralphis sfr6: yea
ralphis sfr6: thats what we will call it if it is ever fixed
ralphis sfr6: and we will write something about it in the text file
ralphis sfr6: it opens on my comp
ralphis sfr6: you have windows 98?
Chesterules: yep
ralphis sfr6: hhmm
ralphis sfr6: this is baffling
Chesterules: my cat is humping my blankets on my bed
Chesterules: speaking of baffling...
ralphis sfr6: yes?
Chesterules: it's a female too - so how does it attempt this?
Chesterules: well - all I can say is - she does.
ralphis sfr6: .....
ralphis sfr6: i have another conclusion to use
ralphis sfr6: i will delete all tags
Chesterules: lol
Chesterules: just delete the whole level
Chesterules: then send it to me
ralphis sfr6: ok good ide.....wait a minute
Chesterules: lol
ralphis sfr6: ARG!
ralphis sfr6: why me
ralphis sfr6: i spent a good hour on this
ralphis sfr6: you know how hard wads are to make
ralphis sfr6: and i get this!
Chesterules: ahh... we'll get it working...
ralphis sfr6: will we?
ralphis sfr6: you mean when there is one sector left
Chesterules: I'm sure there's a fix without dismantling the level completely
ralphis sfr6: ...
ralphis sfr6: completely=1 sector
ralphis sfr6: ok
ralphis sfr6: all tags are gone now
Chesterules: try that - save i with just one sector
ralphis sfr6: the doors next
Chesterules: and see if it'll work
ralphis sfr6: ok
ralphis sfr6: just for fun?
Chesterules: well - who knows!
Chesterules: maybe it won't load!
Chesterules: so, as I was saying, my cat is humping my bed
Chesterules: I'm about to kill it
Chesterules: she does this ALL the time
ralphis sfr6: haha
ralphis sfr6: maybe she is mental
Chesterules: mabye..
Chesterules: ya think?
Chesterules: freak cat
Chesterules: didn't always do this
ralphis sfr6: maybe she hit something and got mental
Chesterules: If I try touch her when she's doing this - she freaks
Chesterules: maybe she just needs a man cat
Chesterules: anyway - send it over
ralphis sfr6: ok
ralphis sfr6: do we still qualify this as a level?
Chesterules: how do you mean?
Chesterules: I just want to see if the damn thing will load in deep97
ralphis sfr6: well, no tags, no monsters, no traps, no exit
Chesterules: so it loaded in deepsea?
ralphis sfr6: yea
Chesterules: maybe we should paste this post in DW editing forum
Chesterules: too frickin' odd.
ralphis sfr6: yea
Chesterules: I think I'm gonna do that - post it in DW
ralphis sfr6: ok
ralphis sfr6: tell them to contact me or you
Chesterules: k

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