Koko Ricky Posted February 12, 2016 Found this gem the other day. For a map made in Q3A, this is really impressive. It's astonishing how slick this game can still look. Here's a hardware example. This is from 1994, and shows an early version of the N64 pushing graphics that look closer to what the end of the console's lifespan resembled. 0 Share this post Link to post
Kontra Kommando Posted February 12, 2016 I remember being very impressed with Star Fox. Especially compared to other SNES games at the time. 0 Share this post Link to post
Jaxxoon R Posted February 12, 2016 Sega Genesis outputting 4-channel MOD music. 'Nuff said. 0 Share this post Link to post
SFoZ911 Posted February 12, 2016 That Q3 school map blew me away. I couldn't believe it was done with the Q3 engine, very impressive. 0 Share this post Link to post
Avoozl Posted February 12, 2016 This is just my opinion but with the Quake 3 map I don't think it necessarily pushed the limits but simply it was a more complex style of mapping which people wouldn't normally want to do since it takes so much time and work to do, it's probably just simply reaching what the game is capable of. However I doubt hardware around the time QIIIA was released could handle this map. 0 Share this post Link to post
schmerr Posted February 12, 2016 What about that whole deal with porting Resident Evil 2 to N64? Compressing all those .avi videos (inb4 'it wasn't .avi') down to a cartridge? Madness. 0 Share this post Link to post
Chopkinsca Posted February 12, 2016 Kontra Kommando said:I remember being very impressed with Star Fox. Especially compared to other SNES games at the time. Check out Star Fox 2, I think it's even more impressive. 0 Share this post Link to post
lazygecko Posted February 12, 2016 That 1994 Silicon Graphics demo is just running with an approximization of what they thought the finalized hardware might be capable of. It's no secret by now that companies were usually overreaching with those, and especially back in the 90's. The most impressive N64 stuff is probably what Factor 5 were doing. They developed techniques to essentially use the regular cartridges as virtual RAM to get more mileage out of the system. Likewise their output on the Gamecube was some of the most impressive stuff of that entire console era. Star Fox also relies on external enhancement chips integrated into the carts, so I don't really consider those types of games the optimal showcase of really pushing the vanilla hardware. That topic gets a bit muddy sometimes. Especially on the NES where the use of better mappers was quite common. The NES is probably the one system I'll give a pass for those methods. 0 Share this post Link to post
dew Posted February 12, 2016 That Q3A map doesn't seem more complex or detailed than Jedi Outcast with a HD mod, but props to a nice Czech myschool.wad! edit: Maybe not exactly "pushing the limits", but I always adored the techdemo that came with Matrox G400. That's the second half of 1999. It looks gorgeous for the time, but the G400 never really matched those graphics ingame, because it had terrible OpenGL support and only excelled in D3D. Still, Matrox was one of the most distinguishable cards ever, especially with its trademark crispy image and bump mapping. Also that music! 0 Share this post Link to post
Remilia Scarlet Posted February 13, 2016 A StarFox demo on Genesis: With no extra chips at that. There's another video showing that it is indeed being played on real hardware, too. Music is separate, though. Red Zone on Genesis: Controls are meh, but otherwise a fun game. Gunstar Heroes on Genesis: Garou: Mark of The Wolves on Neo-Geo: Shantae on Gameboy Color: 0 Share this post Link to post
Doomkid Posted February 13, 2016 Arbitrary mention of Mario RPG. I don't even know if that really was pushing the limits so to speak, but the music and art direction in that game are phenomenal. 0 Share this post Link to post
Lila Feuer Posted February 13, 2016 For a DOS mod this game was really impressive and has a lot of advanced features (many of which this video won't cover). 0 Share this post Link to post
Dav_NW Posted February 13, 2016 I remember how a PC gaming magazine thought it was a Source mod 0 Share this post Link to post
Pencil of Doom Posted February 13, 2016 How about this? It had very fluid animations for its time. 0 Share this post Link to post
Inkie Posted February 13, 2016 Omega Boost on the PS1 allegedly maintains 60 FPS in spite of all the graphical effects it used. 0 Share this post Link to post
Koko Ricky Posted February 13, 2016 Wow, Art of Fighting 3 has amazingly fluid animation! And how could I forget Star Fox. Star Fox 2 is indeed more impressive than the first, it looks really, really good for the era. Spyro the Dragon (1998) made beautiful use of vector-based backgrounds so each level could have a unique sky, and it actually looks better than bitmaps would have. Also very economic use of polygons and amazingly smooth animation. 0 Share this post Link to post
Koko Ricky Posted February 13, 2016 Jaxxoon R said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPr4V1c2VqA Sega Genesis outputting 4-channel MOD music. 'Nuff said. Could you go into detail as to the limitations of the Genesis sound hardware and the difference between MOD and MIDI? 0 Share this post Link to post
Remilia Scarlet Posted February 14, 2016 MIDI only works on note, controller, and some system control (SysEx) data. There are no sounds stored in MIDI data, just which sound to play when. MOD music, while similar, also contains PCM samples that it uses for playback. So while MIDI files/data is more for connecting and transmitting note/controller messages, and will sound different depending on the synthesizer playing it, MOD files are self-contained pieces of music with their own sounds built-in. MIDI is NOT the same as "oh, that music from the 90s that played out of my SoundBlaster-16." It's just a protocol. The SB-16 is why they sounded like an SB-16. Play the same MIDI file on a different card or synthesizer, it'll sound different. Genesis sound hardware was based around the YM2612 (OPN2). As far as output you hear, this had 6 FM synthesis channels. But, the sixth channel could optionally output 8-bit unsigned PCM data with a sampling rate between 8 and 22KHz. The system also had a PSG chip (Texas Instruments SN76496) that had three square wave channels and one noise channel. So basically, it only had one hardware channel for PCM playback. This means if you want to do 4-channel MOD music, you'd have to do the sound mixing in software before sending the stream of data to the one PCM output. 0 Share this post Link to post
june gloom Posted February 14, 2016 Winged_Warrior said:I remember how a PC gaming magazine thought it was a Source mod Cry of Fear is even more impressive. 0 Share this post Link to post
Fuzzball Posted February 14, 2016 GoatLord said:Could you go into detail as to the limitations of the Genesis sound hardware and the difference between MOD and MIDI? The MOD playback developed was ONLY for that game- it was programmed to run in software. You can even inject your own 4 channel mods and have the game play them too! 0 Share this post Link to post
Infinite Ammunition Posted February 14, 2016 We can't fault you, it doesn't use 3D 0 Share this post Link to post
Ashstrodamus Posted February 15, 2016 As my avatar suggests, I grew up in the NES/SMS era. Phantasy Star had my friends coming to my house to see the game because it was so graphically impressive for the time. The SMS was $79.99 at KayBee Toys and Phantasy Star was $89.99. Phantasy Star is in fact the first ever four-meg cartridge. 0 Share this post Link to post
Blastfrog Posted February 15, 2016 Ashstrodamus said:Phantasy Star is in fact the first ever four-meg cartridge.Worth noting that that's in bits, not bytes. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ashstrodamus Posted February 15, 2016 Sodaholic said:Worth noting that that's in bits, not bytes.Correct. It was very impressive for the time. My friends were jealous and blown away because almost nobody in the US had a Sega Master System. It was all about NES. 0 Share this post Link to post
LanHikariDS Posted February 19, 2016 I say Doom on SNES. Not only does it have the additional chipset, but it pushes the limit of that, too. It's quite sad that even then, it's still better than the port for a 32-bit console (Add-on) 0 Share this post Link to post
Doomkid Posted February 19, 2016 Man, there's a video out there of a highly impressive wolf3d-like homebrew for NES with an astonishingly smooth frame rate, and a slightly less impressive one with a sad Mario on the statbar, but literally every rearrangement of "wolf3d homebrew nes" brings me the snes or gen homebrew - Any of you happen to know where I can see those NES homebrews? It's as if they disappeared entirely. 0 Share this post Link to post