Theory for new DOOM Story

[DaRedneckGamer]

I'm just going by the dates that the games take place in. I could be wrong bout Doomslayer being Doom marine/Doomguy.

[Captain Toenail]

There's those Knights Templar guys too (from that D'Nur place?). You see their corpses in Hell and there's statues in the robot guy's office.

Is it not implied that Doomguy is one of these guys?

It's funny how power creep took Doomguy from just some dude that was outside the airlock when shit happened to some sort of superhero now.

[victorboris1]

Captain Toenail said:

There's those Knights Templar guys too (from that D'Nur place?). You see their corpses in Hell and there's statues in the robot guy's office.

Is it not implied that Doomguy is one of these guys?

It's funny how power creep took Doomguy from just some dude that was outside the airlock when shit happened to some sort of superhero now.

The Night Sentinels.

[HellVain]

Captain Toenail said:

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From what the visions or holograms could tell, Doom guy seems to be their leader, He once adorned the same armor until a traitorous demon gave him the Praetor suit. Praetor means something like a general. He couldn't save his world from hell, that's why he resorted to the conclusion of "kill them all, wipe them out" solution because they had nothing left to protect. In his ferociousness the demons started to fear him, They literally formed armies just to kill the Doom slayer.

[OpenMaw]

As much as I LOVE the idea of the marine you play being THE same guy from the classic games, only many decades/centuries after the events of the OG games/64... I think it's very likely that the reference to the "one who shall not be named" is supposed to be indicating... The one who shall not be named was you. The you from those previous games. It's very likely that guy, beaten down over who knows how long of fighting, gave up whatever was left of his armor, and this new guy combined his "ancient suit" with the UAC tech (reforged in Hell). That would explain the combination of the elements on and within the suit.

[Chickensoup101]

HellVain said:

From what the visions or holograms could tell, Doom guy seems to be their leader, He once adorned the same armor until a traitorous demon gave him the Praetor suit. Praetor means something like a general. He couldn't save his world from hell, that's why he resorted to the conclusion of "kill them all, wipe them out" solution because they had nothing left to protect. In his ferociousness the demons started to fear him, They literally formed armies just to kill the Doom slayer.

You know what, i kinda want a Doom stand alone prequel. before Doom guy was sealed in the tomb and fighting the goddamn Titan ala Attack on Titan and Shadow of the colossus!

[Tritnew]

But this doesn't explain why Doomguy looked at the bloody corpse and started to get extremely angry when Samuel said he was using Argent Energy and experimenting on Hell for the better good of mankind.

[HellVain]

Like I said, He somewhat like the punisher. He takes great consideration of the lives of civilians due to a past about him being unable to protect his world.
"for the greater good of mankind" really contradicts to all the dead bodies and holograms of people getting killed.

[Tetzlaff]

Anyone can answer my question? So I guess it's not c at least.

Tetzlaff said:

So who is Doomguy?

a) The ancient Doomslayer who was kept in something like suspended animation in hell and was brought to Mars so he could be "reactivated" by the UAC;

b) the buried body of Doomslayer who was revived by the UAC with the help of Argent energy;

c) a regular human marine who was placed into the ancient tomb as a test subject and possessed by the spirit of Doomslayer.

[Tritnew]

I think A would make more sense.

[Tetzlaff]

b) is because of the sarcophagus and sepulchral atmosphere at the beginning of the game.

[Quasar]

OpenMaw said:

As much as I LOVE the idea of the marine you play being THE same guy from the classic games, only many decades/centuries after the events of the OG games/64... I think it's very likely that the reference to the "one who shall not be named" is supposed to be indicating... The one who shall not be named was you. The you from those previous games. It's very likely that guy, beaten down over who knows how long of fighting, gave up whatever was left of his armor, and this new guy combined his "ancient suit" with the UAC tech (reforged in Hell). That would explain the combination of the elements on and within the suit.

Since the Doomguy is supposed to be "you" (thus sayeth John Romero), this should mean the old Doomguy gave the new one his stuff.

[Jaxxoon R]

Tetzlaff said:

b) is because of the sarcophagus and sepulchral atmosphere at the beginning of the game.

The codex says that the Slayer was found not as a corpse, but a living man trapped in suspended animation, unable to move, but unable to be harmed due to an Argent force field. Samuel stole him away to a hidden lab a few weeks after his discovery in order to protect him from Olivia.

[LANEGRACABRA]

Honestly I don't believe the story is in any way related to the previous games. It's a reboot with it's own story, complete with 1) Doomguy going to Hell 2) Doomguy fighting Cyberdemon and 3) Doomguy fighting Spider Mastermind the end boss.

First Doom had it's own version of UAC Portal technology going wrong. Doomguy went to Hell, fought Cyberdemon and concluded the game by killing the Mastermind.

Doom 3 was also a reboot where UAC Portal technology allowed science to research Hell and demons, which also went wrong. Doomguy goes to Hell and fights Cyberdemon.

DOOM '16 is an universe of it's own. There's no implications of demons invading UAC facility prior to what's happening in game. The UAC as an institution is also very different to that of classic Dooms. DoomSlayerguy fought demons before, EONS ago.

[DaRedneckGamer]

LANEGRACABRA said:

Honestly I don't believe the story is in any way related to the previous games. It's a reboot with it's own story, complete with 1) Doomguy going to Hell 2) Doomguy fighting Cyberdemon and 3) Doomguy fighting Spider Mastermind the end boss.

First Doom had it's own version of UAC Portal technology going wrong. Doomguy went to Hell, fought Cyberdemon and concluded the game by killing the Mastermind.

Doom 3 was also a reboot where UAC Portal technology allowed science to research Hell and demons, which also went wrong. Doomguy goes to Hell and fights Cyberdemon.

DOOM '16 is an universe of it's own. There's no implications of demons invading UAC facility prior to what's happening in game. The UAC as an institution is also very different to that of classic Dooms. DoomSlayerguy fought demons before, EONS ago.

How bout this Doom 3 is the start of it all being the first invasion. Doom 1 and 2 take place on the moons of mars due to the mars base being to destroyed to be used and doom guy staying behind in hell and doom 2016 is set many years after doom 2 where another cult leader releases Hells army once again awakening doom guy now know as doomslayer.

[tuo]

DaRedneckGamer said:

How bout this Doom 3 is the start of it all being the first invasion. Doom 1 and 2 take place on the moons of mars due to the mars base being to destroyed to be used and doom guy staying behind in hell and doom 2016 is set many years after doom 2 where another cult leader releases Hells army once again awakening doom guy now know as doomslayer.

But the Doomslayer also used a sword in the past. He must be much older.

[DaRedneckGamer]

tuo said:

But the Doomslayer also used a sword in the past. He must be much older.

I'm most likely wrong but if i remeber right there was a tomb near the end of Doom 3, what if that tomb is the same one you wake up in at the beginning of Doom '16.

[tuo]

DaRedneckGamer said:

I'm most likely wrong but if i remeber right there was a tomb near the end of Doom 3, what if that tomb is the same one you wake up in at the beginning of Doom '16.

But the beeing that belonged to that tomb (it's the one who closed the hell hole before, with the Soulcube) had to be much larger, as the tomb is enourmous.

Then again, that could of course easily be retconned.

[Tritnew]

LANEGRACABRA said:

Honestly I don't believe the story is in any way related to the previous games.

They literally stated the game Is suppose to be a origin story, though.

[DaRedneckGamer]

Tritnew said:

They literally stated the game Is suppose to be a origin story, though.

If thats true then that throws my theory out the window. And also it would have to predate Doom 3 which takes place in the year 2145 and doom 1-2 take place in 2148 one year after the events of Doom RoE

[Tritnew]

Basically, then It'd be like this to me:

DOOM 2016 > DOOM 1 > DOOM 2 > DOOM 64 > DOOM 3 > DOOM 3: RoE

[Tetzlaff]

Jaxxoon R said:

The codex says that the Slayer was found not as a corpse, but a living man trapped in suspended animation, unable to move, but unable to be harmed due to an Argent force field. Samuel stole him away to a hidden lab a few weeks after his discovery in order to protect him from Olivia.

Thanks, that was the info I was looking for.

tuo said:

But the beeing that belonged to that tomb (it's the one who closed the hell hole before, with the Soulcube) had to be much larger, as the tomb is enourmous.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdrnzgJw6K1r2to8go1_1280.jpg?.jpg

Maybe the stone sarcophagus sat inside that bigger sarcophagus like a matryoshka doll...

[Tetzlaff]

- sorry, delete this... -

[Tritnew]

At this point guys, we can only theorize the story for the game. Besides, there's a lot we can think about, but this thread IS going some place. :V

[LANEGRACABRA]

In the first level after you leave the bunker, the first monster arena fight is an archeological digsite with stone structures that have Hell sigils on them. I found it to be pretty interesting.

[DaRedneckGamer]

Tritnew said:

Basically, then It'd be like this to me:

DOOM 2016 > DOOM 1 > DOOM 2 > DOOM 64 > DOOM 3 > DOOM 3: RoE

The years dont line up the events of Doom 3 happen before the events of Doom 1 and 2 but i agree that Doom '16 comes first possibly right after the Mars base is built

[Tritnew]

Heh, well In that case I think DOOM 3 might be a entirely different universe. DOOM 2016 Is suppose to be a origin story, so It could be possible that they retconned the original story and Instead of Doomguy being ordered to fire upon civillians and he beats up his senior officer making him be sent to Phobos, It's the other way around and...

(The rest Is spoiler)

Spoiler

Samuel Hayden betrays Doomguy/Doomslayer and takes The Crucible for more Argent Energy, and puts him In stasis (that or sends him to be lost on Phobos, I'm going with the first reason though), and we get the Doomguy we basically know today later on? That's just my two cents on the whole deal, but that's the only reason that makes sense. So, Samuel Hayden pretty much used Doomslayer for personal use the whole time, to just get more Argent Energy, and more money.

I'm sure you guys read It. :V So It'd be...

Original timeline: DOOM 2016 > DOOM 1 > DOOM 2 > DOOM 64

DOOM 3 timeline: DOOM 3 > DOOM 3: RoE

[DaRedneckGamer]

I've done a lil more digging and ther was another outbreak on March 13, 2145 thats before the events of Doom which takes place on November 15 of the same year so maybe Doom '16 is the telling of the first outbreak.

[Jaxxoon R]

I just realized.

Civilization destroyed, relied heavily on a source of magic that they revered and worshiped. Scattered through time. Bitter and cold, motivated by vengeance against some world-destroying evil. Renown and feared for his power. And, if Doomguy is indeed the Betrayer like some people theorize, had a close family member he lost.

Doomguy is basically Magus.

[HorrorMovieRei]

Maybe the Doom slayer escapes the monolith Sam imprisoned him in at some point, goes back to earth, settles down with a sweet christian woman, and they have a baby. This baby is the Doom guy from Doom 1/2.