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Doom vs. Doom II

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Yes, I know this thread's been done to death, but let's just call this my own personal version of it...

So DOOM I or DOOM II ... Which one is your absolute personal favorite over the other?

Final DOOM, Master Levels, DOOM 64, and all fan-made mods to DOOM do NOT count.

Also, if you vote DOOM I, I'd like you to specify whether you prefer Shareware, Registered, or Ultimate. I was gonna make another thread about this, but I figured merging it in with this thread would save us all some trouble...

Forget that strikeout part. That put the thread on a bad start. Just tell me whether you prefer DOOM I or DOOM II.

I say DOOM II. It's my Favorite Game of All Time. That's all I need to say.

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RexFesto696 said:

Yes, I know this thread's been done to death, but let's just call this my own personal version of it...

Do we really have to?

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rdwpa said:

because it's based on Brutal Doom

oh no please don't go there

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RexFesto696 said:

Yes, I know this thread's been done to death, but let's just call this my own personal version of it...

If so, you could have started the thread by contributing something new, like stating your own opinion on the topic, rather than just asking exactly what's been "done to death".

RexFesto696 said:

Also, if you vote DOOM I, I'd like you to specify whether you prefer Shareware, Registered, or Ultimate.

Each of these encompasses the previous one, so why would anyone prefer Shareware or Registered Doom when Ultimate Doom has all of its content plus more?

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Doom 1 is crap because it's flat, boring, and overrated.

Doom 2 is butt because it's brown, ugly, and not particularly pretty. Also a glorified add-on!!

I don't know which one to choose.

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scifista42 said:

Each of these encompasses the previous one, so why would anyone prefer Shareware or Registered Doom when Ultimate Doom has all of its content plus more?


That's what I never figured out, how people can prefer one of those to Ultimate. Even if you don't like Thy Flesh Consumed, it being on the menu literally does nothing to impact the previous episodes. You're simply getting more content for nothing. Unless you have a computer that was made in the 90's, the extra space isn't going to matter for jack.

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RexFesto696 said:

Also, if you vote DOOM I, I'd like you to specify whether you prefer Shareware, Registered, or Ultimate.


Who wants the shareware? That's pretty much retarded, and besides the one questionable thread just take Ultimate Doom over Registered it's just more stuff. If anyone says Shareware or Registered I'm sorry, you're wrong. It doesn't even matter if you don't want to play anything except E1 why wouldn't you just take the rest of the game?

EDIT: This sounds angry and it kind of is but I'm not trying to offend people

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RexFesto696 said:

Also, if you vote DOOM I, I'd like you to specify whether you prefer Shareware, Registered, or Ultimate.

I prefer the originally released Shareware file over the more recent ones (post-1.4), because of that E1M4 svastika.
I like to kill nazi demons.

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I can sorta understand how this works.

Take La Gioconda, expand the canvas, add a badly drawn dick to it. Technically, nothing of value is lost, yet you're very likely to see a couple of people not entirely happy with the addition. Even if you cover it with something, it will still affect the integrity of the art piece in the eyes of those who know it's there.

Disclaimer: I don't think Thy Flesh Consumed amounts to a badly drawn dick. E2 and E3 are better candidates for this.

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scifista42 said:

Each of these encompasses the previous one, so why would anyone prefer Shareware or Registered Doom when Ultimate Doom has all of its content plus more?


Probably the same reason some people prefer Unreal Tournament 2003 over Unreal Tournament 2004. The thing is, I yet have to find out what that reason is...

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It ultimately comes down to replayability, and if there is something that accounts for that in one game which is not present in the other, that doesn't matter, because the original product is ultimately responsible for that replayability.

So with Doom 1, you've got fewer enemies, slightly less variety in textures and fewer linedef actions. So it's no surprise that fewer mods have been released for it. Other than better music, perhaps the only thing it's got over Doom 2 is that some of its layouts are more interesting.

Doom 2 has all these extra assets to play with, and a much larger modding scene. The shortcomings (the sometimes lackluster maps/music) is negated by the sheer amount of creativity that has grown from two decades of modding. So it's kind of a no brainer there.

Were I to judge the games as isolated experiences with no regards to modding, I would probably still choose Doom 2 for the simple fact that it has more stuff. Yes, The Chasm is kind of annoying, Barrels o' Fun is gimmicky, Icon of Sin is a bit too simple and the secret maps are mediocre, but much of the game is designed very well and the addition of the super shotty is one of the most important elements of the series, despite the frequent complaints that it's overpowered.

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Zed said:

Probably the same reason some people prefer Unreal Tournament 2003 over Unreal Tournament 2004. The thing is, I yet have to find out what that reason is...

It was the version I owned and was thus the one I learnt.

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RexFesto696 said:

DOOM II may be the technically superior game (except for level design)

Can't be. It is the exact same engine. The difference IS the level design, and more monster resources. Especially Doom II level have more detail most of the time.

GoatLord said:

So with Doom 1, you've got fewer enemies, slightly less variety in textures and fewer linedef actions. So it's no surprise that fewer mods have been released for it.

True for textures and enemies. Not true for linedef actions, since they are exactly the same in either game. Even the fast door sounds were there in Doom 1 ready to be used since v1.666.

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Playing Doom all the way through gave a sense of progression, while Doom 2 lost a bit of that charm IMO.

Can't argue with new and interesting monsters and the SSG though, even if the level layout can be a bit dull compared to the stuff in Doom 1.

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Well, TBH Doom had more distribution, engine and map changes during its lifetime than Doom II, so that might make it slightly more collectible if we're discussing only files, floppies and boxes.

Other than that, it's all about the shift in gameplay paradigms (larger levels, more enemies etc., which was really perfected only in Final Doom).

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Da Werecat said:

I can sorta understand how this works.

Take La Gioconda, expand the canvas, add a badly drawn dick to it. Technically, nothing of value is lost, yet you're very likely to see a couple of people not entirely happy with the addition. Even if you cover it with something, it will still affect the integrity of the art piece in the eyes of those who know it's there.

Disclaimer: I don't think Thy Flesh Consumed amounts to a badly drawn dick. E2 and E3 are better candidates for this.


I see what you mean and it's a good point but it's different. Thy Flesh Consumed would be a badly drawn dick behind a door. You can't see the levels unless you play them so the addition of a door that leads to a badly drawn dick would be a better analogy. Unless of course you think that the title: "Thy Flesh Consumed" is the badly drawn dick... Then my argument is invalid

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Plutonia really perfected what was good about the new content in Doom 2. TNT can go suck a lemon though.

Da Werecat said:

Disclaimer: I don't think Thy Flesh Consumed amounts to a badly drawn dick. E2 and E3 are better candidates for this.


At least E2 and E3 had some thought put into the difficulty progression instead of E4's "First two levels kick your ass and then it's all piss easy" mantra.

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TheNerdTurtle2 said:

I see what you mean and it's a good point but it's different.

Don't look for hard logic in the matters of self-expression. A game with 3 good episodes and 1 bad episode may be a better product than a game with 3 good episodes, but it's an inferior work of art.

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Not another Doom or Doom 2 thread.

This

Hectic said:

It's hard for me to choose. Doom has the better level design, but Doom II has more resources. Tie.

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And what about the Betas? More story elements, more consistent design...

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Maes said:

And what about the Betas? More story elements, more consistent design...


Possible Co-op...

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Heretic






Seriously, though, Doom II. Who cares about the IWAD levels? Most of the best mods are for Doom II, so if you have to chose one, choose that one.

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Doom I has better levels and music, while Doom II has better gameplay and is better to make custom levels with.

For me, it's pretty much a tie between the two. They both have their pros and cons.

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