SO CSGO is inducing child-aged gambling.

[Wild Dog]

I think that this "Political correctness" is not good for anyone.....
Really is that a big deal just a few gambling sites for some cheap-ass skins???? Yes i know it's involves moneys... BUT
I guess he forgot that during the 80s we had those Arcade Coin Pusher and that was gambling as well... You could get a lot of coins and then sell it to other kids.......

[VGamingJunkie]

If Gambling is so bad, why are both Las Vegas and the Lottery legal forms of gambling?

[Nine Inch Heels]

Wild Dog said:

I think that this "Political correctness" is not good for anyone.....

Sure... Political correctness is utter nonsense, when instead you can have kids across the globe gambling at 13 years of age, because it's never to early to eventually start hating yourself, or you know, becoming addicted to gambling, right?

Wild Dog said:

Really is that a big deal just a few gambling sites for some cheap-ass skins????

Yup, it is a big fucking deal when kids can manage to enter. It is also a big fucking deal when certain founders of some sites violate the law by not disclosing how they are involved with said sites.

And some of those "cheap-ass skins" were worth way over 100$, some of the *really* rare ones even more.

Wild Dog said:

Yes i know it's involves moneys... BUT
I guess he forgot that during the 80s we had those Arcade Coin Pusher and that was gambling as well... You could get a lot of coins and then sell it to other kids.......

I call whataboutism on this one!

It was shit in the 80s, it is shit today, let alone illegal in most countries. What's the point? If someone sold coins to those kids to get them gambling, eventhough they were underage it sure as shit must have been an irresponsible lackwit.

For the record, I am not a walking lawbook of some sorts, but I sure as hell get pissed off when kids are being abused for fucking profit by someone who already has millions of dollars at his disposal.

MetroidJunkie said:

If Gambling is so bad, why are both Las Vegas and the Lottery legal forms of gambling?

It's legal to gamble if you're an adult, it's not legal to gamble if you're a kid. Simple rule of thumb.

[VGamingJunkie]

Fair enough, too bad online gambling is naturally going to have kids in it because, short of asking for your ID, there's not much you can do to prevent kids from lying about their age.

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MetroidJunkie said:

Fair enough, too bad online gambling is naturally going to have kids in it because, short of asking for your ID, there's not much you can do to prevent kids from lying about their age.

You really don't get the picture, do you?

Kids usually won't actively look for online gambling sites. Once they're being told that online gambling is so mega-cool and fun by their favourite streamers, they'll get interested. This whole CSGO lottery-bullshit is basically an entry-drug for kids, which is plain fucked up.

Sure, you can't prevent people from posting gambling vids on the internet, there's millions of poker vids out there as well, but I am most certain that an overwhelming majority of kids is not actively looking for poker, and roulette, and blackjack.

But guess what? They look for CSGO, and if like 10%-20% of recent CSGO videos are gambling related, some of which actually explaining how to get involved, regardless of age, it is grotesque at the very least...

[VGamingJunkie]

That's where it gets complicated. Unless you see a ton of CSGO players actively encouraging kids to get involved, you can't say it was made with the malicious intention of luring children in. It's like let's players to an extent, people complain that children watch them swear and generally make dirty jokes but they didn't go out of their way to lure children into watching them, that's just a consequence of the internet unfortunately and maybe parents need to keep a closer eye on what their children are absorbing online instead of blaming it on other people.

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MetroidJunkie said:

That's where it gets complicated. Unless you see a ton of CSGO players actively encouraging kids to get involved, you can't say it was made with the malicious intention of luring children in. It's like let's players to an extent, people complain that children watch them swear and generally make dirty jokes but they didn't go out of their way to lure children into watching them, that's just a consequence of the internet unfortunately and maybe parents need to keep a closer eye on what their children are absorbing online instead of blaming it on other people.

You know what? As long as gambling is related to things which kids have access to, it does not matter if they are the target audience by way of choice, they are the target audience because they'll see it show up on YT when looking for actual gameplay. There is evidence of videos showing how to bypass the "age check", just saying...

Also you can be sure that most of these gambling vids show those players WIN, as in not lose, because success stories are selling better to everyone, like, including kids and stuff...

Yeah, there sure is no difference between watching let's plays on YouTube, and gambling on some website. Why would there be a difference at all, right? Watching a let's player does not directly involve (something worth actual) money on the kids side, for example... But yeah, that probably does not matter... And sure, watching a let's player play random games while swearing up and down is not any different from encouraging kids to start gambling. Right? Right...

Yeah, let's just call it a consequence of the internet as well as parents failing at their duties, because kids are like totally not keen on doing things regardless of what their parents tell them, right? And sure as hell, because the internet does what it does, encouraging kids to gamble is not at all making matters worse than they already are... Right? Right...

Comparing apples and berries also is like totally viable, right?

[VGamingJunkie]

I'm afraid you failed to understand my point. I didn't use let's players as a comparison of morality, even though you did, my point is that you can't fault the people making the activity for kids choosing to get involved. Would you blame all mobile games with in-app purchases because kids choose to use their parents' credit card and buy it? I'm not saying I approve of this gambling operation either, just that you can't blame them for kids getting involved because how the hell were they supposed to know who's a kid or not without a mic/cam involved?

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MetroidJunkie said:

I'm afraid you failed to understand my point. I didn't use let's players as a comparison of morality, even though you did, my point is that you can't fault the people making the activity for kids choosing to get involved.

Are you sure:

MetroidJunkie said:

Unless you see a ton of CSGO players actively encouraging kids to get involved, you can't say it was made with the malicious intention of luring children in. It's like let's players to an extent, people complain that children watch them swear and generally make dirty jokes but they didn't go out of their way to lure children into watching them.

Umm, yeah... right... Entirely my fault... Both lure children in, but, yeah, whatever....

MetroidJunkie said:

Would you blame all mobile games with in-app purchases because kids choose to use their parents' credit card and buy it?

Apples and berries again?

Also, thank you for further validating my point on how children do arguably stupid things at times, like gambling and stuff...

MetroidJunkie said:

I'm not saying I approve of this gambling operation either, just that you can't blame them for kids getting involved because how the hell were they supposed to know who's a kid or not without a mic/cam involved?

I can sure as shit blame them. If you have a YT subscriber base of +3M you can be god-damn-fucking-sure that there will be immature people, like kids, among them. At the very least they should have said that kids are not allowed to enter, instead of showing how to get in no matter what. Guess what they did not do from the start? Right they did not even bother to mention that gambling is for adults.

The actual exclusion of kids has been edited in later down the line (in descriptions only). SO they wanted to get EVERY-fucking-BODY in. How can I possibly make it any more obvious?!?

[VGamingJunkie]

So their level of guilt is the same as Valve's, being complacent and not exactly discouraging it at all.

[Wild Dog]

Sure Bowb said:

It was shit in the 80s, it is shit today, let alone illegal in most countries. What's the point? If someone sold coins to those kids to get them gambling, eventhough they were underage it sure as shit must have been an irresponsible lackwit.

Yet kids in the 80s were happier, healthier and were not over sensitive as they are today....
I guess that all of those kids that drank some Beer as a kids are now alcoholics.

Sure Bowb said:

You know what? As long as gambling is related to things which kids have access to, it does not matter if they are the target audience by way of choice, they are the target audience because they'll see it show up on YT when looking for actual gameplay. There is evidence of videos showing how to bypass the "age check", just saying...

If the kid is smart enough to watch a Video, he/she will be smart enough to bypass an age check.. Kids are curious, that's their nature.

Sure Bowb said:

Also you can be sure that most of these gambling vids show those players WIN, as in not lose, because success stories are selling better to everyone, like, including kids and stuff...

Yeah of course, when you try to sell something, you show the good things not the bad things.
So you are saying that they should advertise their products showing the bad stuff????

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MetroidJunkie said:

So their level of guilt is the same as Valve's, being complacent and not exactly discouraging it at all.

Holy mother... Are you tired? Do you need a coffee? It's not that hard!

Valve was looking away, as in not actively supporting those gambling sites.

Those other fucks were running ads for those sites to lure people in.

Some of those morons who posted gambling videos OWNED the fucking site without disclosing it.

Does that sound ANYTHING like the same level of guilt to you?

Wild Dog said:

Yet kids in the 80s were happier, healthier and were not over sensitive as they are today....
I guess that all of those kids that drank some Beer as a kids are now alcoholics.

Proof or BS, what'll it be?

Wild Dog said:

If the kid is smart enough to watch a Video, he/she will be smart enough to bypass an age check.. Kids are curious, that's their nature.

Yeah they're curious, so why not show them how to gamble for things that they could maybe sell for actual money, sure sounds like a great idea...

Wild Dog said:

Yeah of course, when you try to sell something, you show the good things not the bad things.
So you are saying that they should advertise their products showing the bad stuff????

I am saying they should advertise their products while also disclosing that it is not only is THEIR PRODUCT (which they are obligated to do by way of law), but also state clearly that kids are not allowed to enter, because that would have made some actual sense.

[VGamingJunkie]

All you proved is that they were trying to lure people in generally, not that they were trying to lure in KIDS. Think about this logically for a second, which would be more profitable? Luring in gullible adults who have disposable incomes or luring in children that, at best, would have to borrow money from Mommy and Daddy? It's completely irrational to think they intentionally targeted children specifically, only that they wanted to lure people in in general and didn't so much care what age they were.

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MetroidJunkie said:

All you proved is that they were trying to lure people in generally, not that they were trying to lure in KIDS.

There is evidence of videos showing kids how to bypass the age check to make it easier for them to get involved. How many more times are you gonna make me explain it?

MetroidJunkie said:

Think about this logically for a second, which would be more profitable?

Well, would you kindly start to apply some logic as well already, because it sure is high time....

MetroidJunkie said:

Luring in gullible adults who have disposable incomes or luring in children that, at best, would have to borrow money from Mommy and Daddy?

More profitable is luring as many in as you possibly can. And you know what? Some of these kids may have had weapon skins worth quite a bit. People gamble against each other, the more players there are, the better for the site. SO why not get kids in as well, they're easy pushovers...

MetroidJunkie said:

It's completely irrational to think they intentionally targeted children specifically, only that they wanted to lure people in in general and didn't so much care what age they were.

IF you do NOT disclose, that gambling is illegal, unless you're an adult, and instead show how to bypass the age-check which is also taking into account what data can be pulled from the steam API, it is completely irrational to assume that they gave a single solitary fuck at all. And if you have 3million fucking subscribers, you have a responsibility as well.

[VGamingJunkie]

I'm not saying they weren't being incredibly irresponsible, just that they didn't mold this specifically around luring in children specifically. If you have evidence that the people behind this also made videos instructing people how to get around the age check, then why not show this to the police or something since they're clearly aiding someone in breaking gambling laws? Sounds like a pretty cut and dry case to me.

[Nine Inch Heels]

What do you think is Tmartn getting sued for?

[VGamingJunkie]

Fair enough, I didn't know about that part. Sorry for the misunderstanding on my part. If he was telling people how to bypass gambling laws then, yeah, it's definitely a very serious matter. I thought they just had the operation there and then kids happened to see it and decided to join.

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MetroidJunkie said:

Fair enough, I didn't know about that part. Sorry for the misunderstanding on my part. If he was telling people how to bypass gambling laws then, yeah, it's definitely a very serious matter. I thought they just had the operation there and then kids happened to see it and decided to join.

This is the tile of this particular thread:

SO CSGO is inducing child-aged gambling.

Did you even watch the video?

[Flesh420]

Sure Bowb said:

You really don't get the picture, do you?

Kids usually won't actively look for online gambling sites. Once they're being told that online gambling is so mega-cool and fun by their favourite streamers, they'll get interested. This whole CSGO lottery-bullshit is basically an entry-drug for kids, which is plain fucked up.

Sure, you can't prevent people from posting gambling vids on the internet, there's millions of poker vids out there as well, but I am most certain that an overwhelming majority of kids is not actively looking for poker, and roulette, and blackjack.

But guess what? They look for CSGO, and if like 10%-20% of recent CSGO videos are gambling related, some of which actually explaining how to get involved, regardless of age, it is grotesque at the very least...

Since you're all cute and politically correct, CSGO is rated M. So if kids are gambling because they're playing CSGO no one else is to blame but the parents. Not the game, genius. The parents.... And you're probably some young dude with no kids and all emotional over shit that doesn't involve you, and also has zero say in this matter.

Speaking of which, when is Online Poker coming back here in the US? I made allot of money.

[Ashstrodamus]

Paying for gaming content is about the equivalent of paying for internet porn. As long as people have OCD, crap like this will continue.

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Flesh420 said:

Since you're all cute and politically correct, CSGO is rated M. So if kids are gambling because they're playing CSGO no one else is to blame but the parents. Not the game, genius. The parents.... And you're probably some young dude with no kids and all emotional over shit that doesn't involve you, and also has zero say in this matter.

Severe case of brainfarts, genius. Brainfarts... Not only do you not know me as a person, but chose to attack me personally, you also dismiss the simple fact that kids will do things they're not allowed to, regardless of what their parents tell them. And if you think it is even remotely possible for parents to keep an eye on what their kids (teenagers) do all the time "24/7", you've merely proven that you either do not have any kids yourself, or you consider kids as too stupid to keep certain secrets, and thus are talking out of your ass.

As far as being a "young" dude: I would not consider myself as "young", and I most certainly am not a "dude". I am cute, though, so congratz on being right for once. :-)