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Doomworld Mega Project 2016 (v2 is on /idgames)

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rileymartin said:

Skindustrial District RC3

Screenshots:

Aside from working on a super secret 3-map project, this is one of the first completed maps I've made. Anyways:

Level name : Skindustrial District
Author(s) : rileymartin
Build time : Over a week
Editor(s) used : GZDoom Builder
Compatibility: Boom
Music track : Map 16 in Bloodstain. Says Hell Revealed 2 as the source.
Playtesting : Yes, tested with GLBoom+ 2.5.1.4, GZDoom 2.3, Zandronum 3.0, ZDoom 2.8.1
Difficulty settings : HMP implemented but not tested.
Bugs : Maybe. Final area drops to 20-30 FPS in ZDoom-based ports due to the high monster count/density.
Inspiration : Sunder maps 07, 08
Author's comments : Flesh and metal themed abstract city map. Gameplay begins small and claustrophobic and gradually moves into a slaughter-ish direction. Straightforward, linear design with some minor platforming. Hopefully somewhat challenging for "good at Doom" individuals. The final wave is more amusing without infinite height.

If someone can demo this I'll be thoroughly impressed.

Edit: Uploaded a new version where the last fight sucks less.
Edit2: Uploaded an RC3 which adds more/better detailing and tones down HMP difficulty.


Cool visuals, the start of this map is a bitch ^

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Paul977 said:

Cool visuals, the start of this map is a bitch ^


Thanks! Yep, the intro fight is very difficult given the limited, uh, everything, and is meant to set up the atmosphere for the map. I removed the hitscanners for HMP at least.

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Here's an updated version of my map: https://www.dropbox.com/s/axvuhoqt5r1lodr/lildevil2.wad?dl=0
(the map is still Vanilla, and the total building time is now 21 days, if that's important).

Here's a sort of changelog:

1) The map is now more difficult: the amount of monsters increased, concentration of sergeants and chaingunners is now higher, more traps were added.
2) I also expanded the map a bit, added more locations, as well as more secrets.
3) SSG introduced to the map, but it's very well hidden. (Un)fortunately, once you find it, the rest of the map will be much easier, so it can be a game breaker. Berserk pack is also a secret-only weapon now.
4) Fixed minor bugs from previous version, removed useless monsters, changed keycard/switch puzzles a little bit. One 'bug' remained: you still can't get 100% kills in this map (if you make it to the end you'll see why:) ).

There's one drawback though: in this version all skill levels are the same. I just didn't bother balancing them all, too difficult and boring for me. Maybe i will release another update to the map in future, with skill levels implement and stuff, but unfortunately, this is unlikely, because i'm afraid soon i will be removed from the Internet (real life stuff really gets in the way), so this maybe is the last version.

Also it would be cool if someone recorded a FDA or something, i just want to see how others play it. :)

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Got stuck in the YK area. Unwittingly crossing the trigger to reopen the door while the door is still closing makes leaving impossible. In general you should rarely use once-only actions for opening barriers that are closed by walkover triggers, because there are always ways to get stuck (e.g. linedef-skipping the original closing action, among a whole variety of mapper oversights). SSG is not well hidden. The entrance shows up as a two-sided line on the automap. You have to give those linedefs a "secret" flag.

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Played the rest: I really liked the manc that warps into the last area. Surprised me while I was fighting the pain elemental. Another highlight was the trio of sergeants that meets you on the way back from the YK, which now are likely to wander to more surprising locations.

One way to restore balance if you are giving away a powerful weapon (whose ammo is freely available) is to give it away as the reward for a very tough fight, or a sidequest involving a chain of fights or a puzzle or whatever, instead of handing it away freely in a secret. I feel like either the rocket launcher or plasma rifle would be a better no-strings-attached secret weapon in this map, because you can control specifically how much ammo you give away for it -- just enough to soften up one or two encounters, for instance.

That said, this map would be less fun with only the chaingun at best. There are quite a few mid-tiers and quite a few pinkies and chaingunners, which go down with the chaingun quickly enough, but when combined with the mid-tiers start to add up to a lot of meat.

rileymartin said:


Will try this when I'm in the mood for something hard. Hmm, you can just use the "beta n" designation; "release candidate n" seems too fancy for a single map. Also if ToD of all people says that about your map, it might be overkill. :O

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rdwpa said:

Will try this when I'm in the mood for something hard. Hmm, you can just use the "beta n" designation; "release candidate n" seems too fancy for a single map. Also if ToD of all people says that about your map, it might be overkill. :O


What can I say, I'm a fancy kind of guy. :P Hey, no shame in trying out HMP! I tested UV to make sure the last area is beatable in both GLBoom+ and GZDoom. If you can do the big arena fight in Sunlust map30 then UV should be fine there.

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The first encounter is easier on UV because the chaingunners can reliably be used to distract things, and the DPS against the vile can add up.

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lil'devil said:

Thanks for testing! I've fixed the door bug and marked SSG entrance lines 1-sided. Here's the bugfixed version (i also updated the original post so that people won't download the bugged version): https://www.dropbox.com/s/axvuhoqt5r1lodr/lildevil2.wad?dl=0

As for the rest, maybe i'll have enough time to fix the balance and improve the map further, we'll see..


Not bad. Minor issues.

Yellow Key room. I was able to grab the Yellow Key and exit the room before the Manc teleported in.

Yellow Armor room. The Lost Soul is stuck in his floor-level alcove and can't move.

Two Spectres in an offmap closet never teleported in.

I hate death exit maps, but otherwise, okay.

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rdwpa said:

The first encounter is easier on UV because the chaingunners can reliably be used to distract things, and the DPS against the vile can add up.


Interesting. That hasn't been my experience as the Imps are much easier to ignore/punch out and don't have the tendency of killing you in seconds while you're trying to avoid a Vile blast. If it makes HMP feel harder I can switch the Imps out for Zombiemen or Sergeants like I had before. Not having hitscanners there makes it easier to grab the Berserk which feels like the best way to handle that encounter.

lil'devil said:

Also it would be cool if someone recorded a FDA or something, i just want to see how others play it. :)


Here's a 15 minute FDA of me playing extremely cautiously and spending too much time humping walls and stopping to check the automap. The maps plays well and I enjoy some of the looping layout. The pillar areas with ambushing monsters are also cool in an oldschool sort of way. Texture choice is good and I like the overall bleak atmosphere of the map. One suggestion is to add some more detailing and lighting variation to the map as it currently looks very minimalist, unless that's the intention. Didn't encounter any bugs that weren't mentioned already.

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rileymartin said:

Thank you, i'll watch that as soon as i get home.

Well, i've decided that i will update the map again. I think i should make a more climactic ending to the map (some sort of epic arena battle), and rework certain areas a bit lot (SSG secret in particular) and, of course, implement skill levels. I hope you people are not tired of playtesting my map over and over again (i, honestly, am tired a bit). :)

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rileymartin said:

I tested UV to make sure the last area is beatable in both GLBoom+ and GZDoom.

Feel free to post your strategy in a demo.

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lil'devil said:

Thank you, i'll watch that as soon as i get home.

Well, i've decided that i will update the map again. I think i should make a more climactic ending to the map (some sort of epic arena battle), and rework certain areas a bit lot (SSG secret in particular) and, of course, implement skill levels. I hope you people are not tired of playtesting my map over and over again (i, honestly, am tired a bit). :)


I think having the SSG as a non-secret and tuning up the fights slightly is the better way to go here if you want the weapon in your map. I'm not a fan of secret weapons that drastically change the gameplay depending on whether you find them or not.

TimeOfDeath said:

Feel free to post your strategy in a demo.


Well, part of the fun is figuring out the encounters. I wouldn't want to do the good people a disservice by spoiling the experience. ;)

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I updated my Map "The Nephilim" cause i found a bug. The Chaingunner left to the red key stucked in the ceiling. The Link didnt change :)

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@TimeOfDeath Incase you don't check doomworld blogs too often ; Lildevil and CheckaAgent are the same person, so only list one of them as a mapper. (Prefably Lildevil, since that one submitted a map)

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joe-ilya said:

Lildevil and CheckaAgent are the same person, so only list one of them as a mapper. (Prefably Lildevil, since that one submitted a map)


Oh, really? Didn't knew that! Why he/she/it have a double account here?

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walter confalonieri said:

Oh, really? Didn't knew that! Why he/she/it have a double account here?

To shitpost more, remember that "DoomHater" not too recently at the picture thread? It was ChekaAgent as well.

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My map is ready for testing.

Map name: Infernal Tower
File Name: tower_v5.wad
Format: ZDoom, tested in Zandronum and ZDaemon.
Song: Mars, Bringer of War from Holst's The Planets, sequencer unknown

Screenshots (old):

Spoiler






Changelog:
Spoiler

Changes in tower_v5.wad:

- Fixed a problem where you could stand near the edge of the island in certain
spots and see stuff weirdly disappearing. It was caused by the line-horizon
hugging the coastline in places where the island is concave.

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Changes in tower_v4.wad:

- Added slopes to top of the doors in the starting building.
- Made the floors of the secrets in the final arena recessed instead of raised.

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Changes in tower_v3.wad:

- Moved the spawn building off of the island so it could have a real ceiling
rather than 3D floor and mid-textures. Now, you teleport into a small building
in ruins, which explains the lack of a roof.
- Enclosed the stairs inside a new wall so you can't see outside from inside
except through the front door. This shouls help just a little bit with fps lag.
- Made a lot of the ammo coop-only. to go with the coop-only monsters.
- Added more monsters inside the tower and in the final arena.
- Made the front door require a key to force the player to go aound the tower
to get it.
- Widened the range of brightness levels to have more dramatic lighting.
- Improved the pedestals with weapons and power-ups on them.
- Made the teleport fromj the spawn building to the portal room go both ways.

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Changes in tower_v2.wad:

- Fixed a problem that was making the player unable to leave the first building
in versions of ZDoom higher than 2.5.0.

Downloads:
Latest version: tower_v5.wad
Old Versions:
tower_v4.wad
tower_v3.wad
tower_v1.wad
tower_v2.wad
The txt file is inside the wad as a WADINFO lump because the wad hosting site I am using doesn't allow zip files.

I'd consider this a release candidate, but that doesn't mean that changes can't happen.

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Empyre said:

Format: ZDoom, tested in Zandronum and ZDaemon.

This wad is broken in zdoom after version 2.5.0 (I tested 260, 271, 281). I don't know if you want to change it, but the way it is now it will be treated as a different format than just "zdoom".

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TimeOfDeath said:

This wad is broken in zdoom after version 2.5.0 (I tested 260, 271, 281). I don't know if you want to change it, but the way it is now it will be treated as a different format than just "zdoom".

Fixed: tower_v2.wad, assuming that you were talking about being unable to leave the first building.

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I'm signing out, probably won't make a map because of my small personal project.

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rileymartin said:

Well, part of the fun is figuring out the encounters. I wouldn't want to do the good people a disservice by spoiling the experience. ;)

Cut it, this is a perfectly valid request, and if you're going to back off then you can't stand behind any claims about your map being balanced and fine-tuned and therefore make your potential good reputation (if it's ever going to be established in the first place) suffer a heavy blow. By providing a demo, you provide a clear proof of your words and thus push all complaints into the realm of subjective preferences which is totally fine; and those interested in figuring out the ecnounters on their own are under no obligation to watch it.

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@rileymartin
After playing through your map here are my thoughts starting with part 1 (everything before the giant arena) and then part 2 (arena fight).

Part 1:
1. I dont feel ammo starved. You can handle the cacos and PEs in multiple ways so that was fun.

2. I found I skipped the line which is supposed to raise the cyb guarding the tele to the bfg/rsk a LOT.

I found this part of the map fun and fast paced.


Part 2:

Spoiler

I found the key (for me anyways) to completing the first phase of this fight was killing the hitscan so the cybs dont really bunch up around one side.

I felt there is an rng element to the first section to this fight which may make running it annoying. I didn't practice the strategy I used to win so I would not rule out the possibility that rng would get iron'd out with practice. The fight this most reminded me of was a secret encounter in Dark Tartarus map05 (room starts with MMs and then cybs lower around outer most edges of room). The only reason I really think of this fight more than anythign else was because cyb rockets were the primary source of my demise. There is a max for Dark Tartarus map05 so I think this should be ok?

When getting to the PE cloud I had around 1300 cells to play around with (number includes cells I already picked up) and prolly close to 150 rockets. I ran out of both. Resorted to using ssg and chaingun to kill the remaining PEs. I didnt have the ammo to kill the MM at the exit switch (unless there were cells or something I missed at the top of the pyramid). I completed the PE section first try without breaking a sweat.


Pretty chaotic slaughter map I would say. I think the beginning was the most fun though.

Thanks for making the map!

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Thanks for the feedback Killer5! I have an updated version of the map that I'll upload a bit later with some changes to the slaughter fight to hopefully make it more fun and reduce the RNG/improve the ammo aspect.

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