NiGHTMARE Posted September 4, 2002 If so, could you please please please send me (nick@frad.org) ANMTROL.BIF from the Data directory of CD1. My copy of the CD is scratched, and this is the only file that I can't manually copy to my hard drive :( BTW, there's a file with the same name on CD2. I don't need that, just that one on CD1, which is 9.74 megs. Thanks in advance! 0 Share this post Link to post
Sharessa Posted September 4, 2002 WAREZ j/k But someone was going to say it and better from me than from some retarded newb. 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted September 4, 2002 Heh, I'd send you a picture of the scratched CD, but I've lent my digital camera to someone :) Which reminds me, I need to get it back sometime... 0 Share this post Link to post
Ichor Posted September 4, 2002 Have you tried taking it back and getting it exchanged for another one? 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted September 4, 2002 I got it imported, so that would be a bit tricky :| 0 Share this post Link to post
Ichor Posted September 4, 2002 Well, that would explain why one of your CDs is scratched (surprised it wasn't more). You know, I've been thinking about getting that game. I have all three Baldur's Gate games, but I don't have either Icewind Dale games, which seems just a bit odd. 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted September 4, 2002 I dunno, I've got several other imported games, Ultima IX and Warcraft 3 to name but two, and they're all fine. 0 Share this post Link to post
Fredrik Posted September 4, 2002 NiGHTMARE said:Heh, I'd send you a picture of the scratched CD, but I've lent my digital camera to someone :)If you took the pic in high enough resolution, you could recover the lost file manually :D 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted September 4, 2002 Ditto. It's not as if I'm asking for warez (what good would a single file do me), I want a file so my legitimately purchased copy of a game will work. 0 Share this post Link to post
fodders Posted September 4, 2002 Well, every part of that cd is copyright, even though it is only 1 file, it's still warez. 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted September 4, 2002 So that makes any Doom wad which contains an ID texture warez. 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted September 4, 2002 NiGHTMARE said:So that makes any Doom wad which contains an ID texture warez. Nope, since, id /Activision allow that in DOOM WADs 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted September 4, 2002 Just because they haven't done anything about it doesn't mean they "allow it". Besides, some mods for Baldur's Gate 2 use bifs from Icewind Dale (bifs contain creature and item animations) and visa versa, and Bioware and Blackisle haven't done anything about that. 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted September 4, 2002 Yeah, what companies do or not is up to them. But I'm saying id Software (and Activision with them) allows that because they state it in the game's license. 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted September 4, 2002 According to the Doom license: 4. Copyright. The Software and all copyrights related thereto (including all characters and other images generated by the Software or depicted in the Software) are owned by ID and is protected by United States copyright laws and international treaty provisions. Id shall retain exclusive ownership and copyright in and to the Software and all portions of the Software and you shall have no ownership or other proprietary interest in such materials. You must treat the Software like any other copyrighted material. You may not otherwise reproduce, copy or disclose to others, in whole or in any part, the Software. You may not copy the written materials accompanying the Software. You agree to use your best efforts to see that any user of the Software licensed hereunder complies with this Agreement. I assume textures would come under "other images depicted in the software". 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted September 4, 2002 Yes, they own all the artwork, but you can use parts of it (as is or as a base) as long as the (WAD) requires the IWAD to run. See section 2 of the collector's edition license (agreement), which is the latest one, I do not know which you looked at... you can see it when you install the thing, I do not think it comes in TXT or whatever else form. I quoted this section in a recent discussion about this not too long ago, in another thread. 0 Share this post Link to post
IMJack Posted September 4, 2002 The wads don't contain the Doom textures, they reference them from the iwad. If you extracted the original textures and then put them in your own wad file, passing them off as your own, that'd be a problem. Not to mention exceedingly dumb. So I suppose, yes, any Doom wad that contains rather than references an id texture would be considered "warez." Not that anyone would care, but still... 0 Share this post Link to post
fraggle Posted September 4, 2002 fodders said:Doom is open source. The source code is free; the game data is proprietory. Technically reusing original doom textures is illegal. Personally I consider asking for games like this, even though its only part of a game that is useless on its own, to be warez. Sorry nick :( Of course I'm not a moderator so whatever. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ichor Posted September 4, 2002 Back to the original topic... Warez or not, he has the original files. However, some of them (that .bif file might not be the only one you need) are on a damaged portion of the CD and cannot be copied. I only know of one way to retrieve them, and it may take a while. Email the game creators and maybe they will send you a replacement file. They will probably ask for proof that you actually own the CD, but that shouldn't be a problem. The only problem I see is the usual delays, assuming they even answer your emails. Then again, it just might be possible for someone could either repair the damage or retrieve the data for you, but that might take just as long, and be costlier. 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted September 4, 2002 IMJack said:The wads don't contain the Doom textures, they reference them from the iwad. I had earlier said:So that makes any Doom wad which CONTAINS an ID texture warez. [IMJACK] Which is why I said: So I suppose, yes, any Doom wad that contains rather than references an id texture would be considered "warez." Not that anyone would care, but still... I don't want to make a new, off-topic post on the subject, so nya. :P [/IMJACK] 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted September 4, 2002 IMJack, NiGHTMARE, fraggle, well my lawyers have finally uncovered the old thread, you can draw your conclusions... http://www.doomworld.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9526 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted September 4, 2002 fraggle said:Personally I consider asking for games like this, even though its only part of a game that is useless on its own Well, as I already said, Blackisle doesn't seem to mind people distributing unmodified bif files. The Darkest Day add-on for Baldur's Gate 2, which has a tonne of bif files from the original Icewind Dale, was even distributed on magazine CDs. 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted September 4, 2002 myk said:IMJack, NiGHTMARE, fraggle, well my lawyers have finally uncovered the old thread, you can draw your conclusions... I guess you're right, but hold on... no obscene creations? Doesn't that make andrewb2.wad illegal? ;) 0 Share this post Link to post
fodders Posted September 4, 2002 People could say,(and do) "I own Doom2, I just corrupted the Doom2.wad, can someone send it to me?" Doom2.wad is, also, only 1 file. 0 Share this post Link to post
Naked Snake Posted September 4, 2002 fodders said:People could say,(and do) "I own Doom2, I just corrupted the Doom2.wad, can someone send it to me?" Doom2.wad is, also, only 1 file. Then they could re-install it if their disc isn't fucked up. 0 Share this post Link to post
stphrz Posted September 4, 2002 fodders said:People could say,(and do) "I own Doom2, I just corrupted the Doom2.wad, can someone send it to me?" Doom2.wad is, also, only 1 file. Yes but it's the only file you need seeing as how there's all those source ports and all. Nightmare's asking for that one specific file may go against the letter of the law, but not the spirit of the law. Besides if he really does own the cd (and I believe him) then it could be argued he's not even going against the letter of the law as he's legally purchased a license and is entitled (by law) to use that file. 0 Share this post Link to post