Herzon Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) So, recently I downloaded eternity but when I opened it windows defender blocked it. Is it safe to run anyway? If so, please tell me with proof that it is safe. Edited December 11, 2017 by Herzon : You don't need to post on this thread anymore because the problem was already solved. 0 Share this post Link to post
Asure Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) deleted Edited November 29, 2018 by Phoenix Wright 0 Share this post Link to post
Herzon Posted December 6, 2017 Just a quick reminder:if you can, please show a video showing somebody opening eternity getting the message and pressing run anyway with results of it not harming their computer. 0 Share this post Link to post
Edward850 Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Herzon said: Just a quick reminder:if you can, please show a video showing somebody opening eternity getting the message and pressing run anyway with results of it not harming their computer. Eternity just starts for me with no warning even with defender running, so myself making a video of such a task would be impossible, unless you just want a video of me starting Eternity, which would be... meaningless? However, it's 100% certain your end is being overzealous for some reason, perhaps because of your configured security level or it has just never seen it before and doesn't know what it is, but the builds provided are absolutely clean and safe. We would gain nothing from lying to you about this or disrupting your computer in any way, shape or form. 3 Share this post Link to post
Bauul Posted December 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Herzon said: Just a quick reminder:if you can, please show a video showing somebody opening eternity getting the message and pressing run anyway with results of it not harming their computer. This seems an odd request given the results of 99% of viruses are not immediately visible on screen once installed. Were you worried a giant 1990s style 3D animated skull would appear on your monitor and an evil voice would laugh in a faintly digitized manner? 8 Share this post Link to post
printz Posted December 6, 2017 What is the name of the threat detected by Windows Defender? You are indeed referring to Windows Defender, and not SmartScreen ("Windows protected your PC")? 1 Share this post Link to post
Quasar Posted December 6, 2017 11 hours ago, Bauul said: Were you worried a giant 1990s style 3D animated skull would appear on your monitor and an evil voice would laugh in a faintly digitized manner? Damn they're onto me! 9 Share this post Link to post
Herzon Posted December 6, 2017 8 hours ago, printz said: What is the name of the threat detected by Windows Defender? You are indeed referring to Windows Defender, and not SmartScreen ("Windows protected your PC")? It said Windows Protected Your PC. 0 Share this post Link to post
Herzon Posted December 7, 2017 17 hours ago, Edward850 said: unless you just want a video of me starting Eternity If that is the least you can do, please do it. 0 Share this post Link to post
Edward850 Posted December 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Herzon said: If that is the least you can do, please do it. I mean, wouldn't the videos in this thread already be indicative? 0 Share this post Link to post
Herzon Posted December 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Edward850 said: I mean, wouldn't the videos in this thread already be indicative? Those videos only show gameplay of the source port, and not you actually opening it. 0 Share this post Link to post
Edward850 Posted December 7, 2017 ... Your requests are getting kind of silly and pointless, just FYI. 2 Share this post Link to post
Bauul Posted December 7, 2017 @Herzon Are you worried that the entire Eternity community is part of some secret hacker movement designed to trick you into installing a virus? You're being a bit weird mate. 0 Share this post Link to post
Da Werecat Posted December 7, 2017 12 hours ago, Edward850 said: ... Your requests are getting kind of silly and pointless, just FYI. And how can we know that once you exited the game the OS was still there, and the file system wasn't encrypted, nagging you for money? 1 Share this post Link to post
Blastfrog Posted December 8, 2017 What's with the sudden influx of people joining and getting all paranoid about GPL software being malicious because they're getting false positives from their antivirus? It's safe to run Eternity, the code is open to the public, so they couldn't slip anything bad past people even if they tried. One must wonder how you sleep at night with such an intense paranoia. :P 0 Share this post Link to post
Manuel-K Posted December 8, 2017 5 hours ago, Blastfrog said: It's safe to run Eternity, the code is open to the public, so they couldn't slip anything bad past people even if they tried. One must wonder how you sleep at night with such an intense paranoia. :P Yes, but how do you know that somebody did modify the code before compiling? How do you know that the compiler does not inject some malicious code? Okay, you could check the compiler's source code, but how do you know that the compiler used during bootstrapping doesn't inject any malicious code!?… Repeat ad infinitum. Paranoia ftw. ;-) 0 Share this post Link to post
SaladBadger Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) the true solution is to build everything from source, do a deep code review on all projects to ensure there is for certain no malicious code, be sure to build your own libraries, again doing the code review, and be sure that the same has been done for the kernel you're running it on. And don't forget to profile the hardware for issues, and build every part of it yourself. Maybe then Herzon will feel somewhat less paranoid about EE (alternatively I guess EE could be signed? I dunno what that would entail but it'd probably shut up smartscreen. probably not that worth it though) Edited December 8, 2017 by InsanityBringer 0 Share this post Link to post
printz Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) EVERYBODY CALM DOWN NOW. This is not a virus alert. On 06.12.2017 at 11:00 PM, Herzon said: It said Windows Protected Your PC. OK. This means that it's not the antivirus blocking Eternity.exe, but Windows itself which is quite cautious about running programs downloaded from the internet. It does the same thing for other software as well, such as the Eureka Doom Editor. But it's far less likely to do so for programs downloaded as installers (like setup.exe etc.). Why does Windows do that? Basically it's programmed not to trust random executables you download from the internet, and does so for the protection of average non-tech users, who are prone to downloading bad executables from rogue spam email and such. Eternity qualifies as "random" because we simply compile it and upload a .zip of it to a website — no extra validation or verification is being done. I believe we can get rid of this warning if we digitally sign the executable. Then Windows will know it's written by us. I haven't tried this thing on Windows (dunno about @Quasar) but I'm signing the macOS Eternity application (only official releases, not DRDteam builds which are out of my control) for this same reason. 2 Share this post Link to post
Coraline Posted December 19, 2017 https://github.com/3dfxdev/hyper3DGE/issues/52 My users have reported a similar issue (since we borrowed the crash reporter from Eternity). :/ 0 Share this post Link to post
Edward850 Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) This thread's problem turned out to be the user not knowing what Windows SmartScreen is, not a malware issue. Your reported issue is specifically a false positive from malware detection. Edited December 19, 2017 by Edward850 0 Share this post Link to post
Coraline Posted December 19, 2017 36 minutes ago, Edward850 said: This thread's problem turned out to be the user not knowing what Windows SmartScreen is, not a malware issue. Your reported issue is specifically a false positive from malware detection. Maybe I should have created a new thread instead :S sorry about that! 0 Share this post Link to post