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(Poll) Your favorite Doom source port?

(Poll) Your favorite Doom source port?  

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  1. 1. What is your favorite Doom source port?

    • GZDoom
      70
    • ZDoom
      18
    • PrBoom+
      41
    • GlBoom+
      15
    • Eternity Engine
      16
    • Doom Retro
      6
    • Crispy Doom
      17
    • Chocolate Doom
      10
    • Zandronum
      11
    • ZDaemon
      2
    • Odamex
      3
    • Not listed (other ports)
      6


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ZDoom, because decorate & making new monsters with it. The lack of demo capability hurts though, gravitating me towards PRBoom. Argh.

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On 1/29/2018 at 3:58 PM, Spectre01 said:

Fun fact: I used to play the IWADs with Doomsday and 3D models. The lighting system was very nice actually, from what I remember.

 

I'd argue it's also the #1 port for authentic vanilla gameplay mechanics without being overly restrictive like Chocolate Doom or what have you. The GL version is also the #1 port for performance reasons and playing large-scale slaughtermaps.

 

I actually voted Zandronum though, because it does everything.

 

definitely. i had written how i had to load reverie's maps 32 and 21 without smooth doom because all those monster bits flying slowed my pc to a crawl (oc'd i5-4690k and gtx 1070, so it's not exactly slow for doom). and those are actually small maps. unthinkable with glboom. i also have noticed the brightness difference with gl/prboom, was much easier to see in dark maps.

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15 minutes ago, Pirx said:

definitely. i had written how i had to load reverie's maps 32 and 21 without smooth doom because all those monster bits flying slowed my pc to a crawl

That's more to do with Smooth Doom's blood and gib calculation and not so much the port it's running on. Same deal with Brutal Doom. If you disable the extra blood and gibs, Smooth Doom shouldn't run much worse than vanilla, even on larger maps.

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For me it's GZDoom. I like the modding capabilities, the ease of use, the ease of setting it up to behave however I like, and its versatility.

 

Before GZDoom though, I hopped around from port to port, trying just about everything from the list at least once and for a day or so. I think the first one I ever tried (other than Doom95) was Doom Legacy. From there, I jumped to Doomsday and played with that for a while before I hopped on board the Risen3D train before finally getting into ZDoom, which is where I've been ever since (along with its derivatives). I even played with ZDaemon, Odamex, and Skulltag/Zandronum a bit.

 

Despite my own leaning towards GZDoom and the ZDoom family of ports, I'd encourage everyone to give each port a try to see what's right for them. I'm glad that there's such a diverse selection to choose from in order to play Doom.

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I've got to show some love for Odamex. I have no interest in multiplayer, honestly, but with the limited experience I have with source ports, Odamex by far has the best WAD filing and loading system I've seen. I was thoroughly surprised when it seemed as though GZDoom required a launcher to get the same effect with drag-and-drop being the only other option.

 

I of course use GZDoom periodically for its more ambitious mods and WADs, but Odamex is my main for all vanilla and near-vanilla content.

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21 hours ago, PaquoCastor said:

Also, is Chocolate the only port that actually uses %DOOMWADPATH%?

Almost all of them do use DOOMWADDIR. Dunno about PATH. So try setting that.

Except for Risen3D ofc because that one just has to be special in every regard and not be a playable port like everyone else is

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Crispy Doom's all for the vanilla gameplay! (as I mostly play IWADs and vanilla megawads)
It could be PrBoom+ but for the sound delay (even if it is only a few ms, it is still noticeable when switching between many ports.)

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1 hour ago, bzzrak said:

Almost all of them do use DOOMWADDIR. Dunno about PATH. So try setting that.

Except for Risen3D ofc because that one just has to be special in every regard and not be a playable port like everyone else is

I do use dir, hence PrBoom+ loading French Doom II. The reason I set both is because I have an awkward hierarchy of wad folders. The nice thing is that once I set up Chocolate Doom I can just type:

chocolate-doom -iwad doom2.wad {-file, -merge} foo1.wad foo2.wad ... foon.wad -deh bar.deh

While with Eternity I tend to use:

set doom2=PATHTODOOM2FILES
eternity -iwad doom2 -file %doom2%/foo1 %doom2%/foo2 ... %doom2%/foon -deh %doom2%/bar

Replacing doom2 with whatever game I'm going to play of course.

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I prefer GZDoom. It's really easy to set up, and it's really simple to load up mods with it. And it's very easy to mod for, Decorate's the kind of programming language that you just pick up and can learn the basics of it in maybe an hour or so.

 

On 1/30/2018 at 8:11 AM, dmg_64 said:

They're probably talking about texture filtering which I believe is turned off by default.

Is it disabled by default in 3.2.5? Sweet.

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16 hours ago, Nems said:

the ease of use, the ease of setting it up

 

19 minutes ago, Pyrolex said:

I prefer GZDoom. It's really easy to set up,

am i getting punked

 

litetally one of the defining characteristics of zdoom ports is how difficult it is to set them up and use them compared to most ports

 

like the settings are a complete maze and most of the settings are difficult to understand and don't always have obvious immediate effects

 

i can only assume you're all joshin me

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23 minutes ago, bonnie said:

 

am i getting punked

 

litetally one of the defining characteristics of zdoom ports is how difficult it is to set them up and use them compared to most ports

 

like the settings are a complete maze and most of the settings are difficult to understand and don't always have obvious immediate effects

 

i can only assume you're all joshin me

based on the populations of the zdoom family of ports, the menus are designed to be navigated by the lowest common denominators. if you can't grasp the menus.............................................................................................................................................

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Prboom+ for me, after boom 2.02 stopped working :) I like having slightly better resolution than the original .exe, but I mainly play old-school wads, and exclusively map for doom2 v1.9 limits myself because that's what I started out with and I don't have the willpower to start learning scripts, decorate and whatnot.

 

edit: For "other purposes" (i.e. Ancient Aliens, and similar), I have been using Zdoom. After checking out the screenshots from YukiRaven's latest project, I'm considering switching my "other" port to GzDoom :o)

 

edit 2: I've also used ChocoRenderLimits/Chocolate Doom or whatever that off-shoot port is called for editing purposes. A+++ for getting rid of those VPOs and HOMs

Edited by Uncle 80

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3 hours ago, VanillaExtract said:

I've got to show some love for Odamex. I have no interest in multiplayer, honestly, but with the limited experience I have with source ports, Odamex by far has the best WAD filing and loading system I've seen. I was thoroughly surprised when it seemed as though GZDoom required a launcher to get the same effect with drag-and-drop being the only other option.

 

I of course use GZDoom periodically for its more ambitious mods and WADs, but Odamex is my main for all vanilla and near-vanilla content.

True that. I'm not sure enough people know this but you can put your wad directory in your .cfg file and load wads directly from the console. It's super convenient! 

 

It's strange but, for those of you who are source port developers who are observing this poll, I'd discourage you from making any incomplete conclusions based on these statistics. I feel that people's preferred port has little to do with what is actually best, it just resembles a level of comfort that people want in their doom experience, and that will always differ from person to person. Somehow just having popularity makes it that much easier to keep it, whether you fuck up your port or make it amazing.

 

Odamex for example, has every reason to be just as awesome as anything else, it just doesn't have the people. It's a great port but as a multiplayer centric thing, it's awfully lonely for reasons that have very little to do with its utility.

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im with you @bonnie prboom+ much easier to get up and running how you like it.

id argue g/zdoom suffer from 'feature bloat' in that most people shouldnt need to adjust every setting and putting them all in up/down scrolling pages is a recipe for trouble

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I've tried out quite a range of ports- I mainly used Doom Legacy in 2003-05, then mainly Doomsday in 2006-07, then had a foray into Risen3D.  GZDoom has established itself as my main go-to port in the last 5-6 years.

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3 hours ago, Decay said:

based on the populations of the zdoom family of ports, the menus are designed to be navigated by the lowest common denominators. if you can't grasp the menus.............................................................................................................................................

Oh? Banded SW Lightmode. Tell me where that is, what it is, what it does, and how the "lowest common denominators" are supposed to find this option, understand it, and know whether or not to use it.

 

Or can you not grasp the menus?

 

The cluttered, squished, poorly worded, and mostly undocumented scrolling menus. Compared to prboom+'s simple, easy to understand options in pretty, uncluttered, page-based, well marked, user-friendly menus, most of which don't even need to be bothered with in the first place... which apparently makes them less manageable.

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I find ZDoom to be relatively easy to set up, I have no idea why other people find it hard to understand but I guess it's all about personal preference. 

2 hours ago, bonnie said:

poorly worded

How exactly? Can you provide an example?

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Zandronum.  Doom is more fun with more than one, and it is the most capable multiplayer port out there by a long shot.  Plus, being a modern ZDoom-alike, it's as easy to set up as modern ZDoom too.

 

If I need vanilla-compatibility, I use Crispy Doom.

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I honesty can't see how anyone could think any menu perfect, and PrBoom+ seems to have it's share of feature creep as well. (I get shadows, but why health bars?) I mean there are always nits to pick if one wishes. Also, could a community ever agree on what the defaults should be without alienation? (Which is for the rich by the way.) The only thing that truly annoys me about the Eternity Engine is that, as far as I know, autorun is not in the menus.

 

All we need is good documentation and a search feature. That's what makes power-user software awesome. But is it really power-user, since most things with that level of customization tends to be more popular in the parts I frequent. Although In high school I mentioned how what I want in games is a feature-full options menu to which I got a response in the vain of that's just the developers being lazy.

 

Also, GZDoom has added so much to the experience in the last year alone, it truly is an amazing engine. I just prefer the way EE feels, how it handles. I really don't know what it is, but I love EE. However, I do not think onetruesourceportism is a good color on anyone, but I can see both sides on various engines here and I think the developers should do what they think best, for better or worse. It's what I'd do, and that's what makes them worth chancing.

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2 hours ago, bonnie said:

Oh? Banded SW Lightmode. Tell me where that is, what it is, what it does, and how the "lowest common denominators" are supposed to find this option, understand it, and know whether or not to use it.

 

Or can you not grasp the menus?

 

The cluttered, squished, poorly worded, and mostly undocumented scrolling menus. Compared to prboom+'s simple, easy to understand options in pretty, uncluttered, page-based, well marked, user-friendly menus, most of which don't even need to be bothered with in the first place... which apparently makes them less manageable.

The lowest common denominator wouldn't care about sw light mode, they care more about their sound, mouse and key settings. The only area where it would get confusing is the display settings but everything else is self-explanatory. All the kids that play zandro seem to find their settings rather easy...

 

If menus like Player Setup and Gameplay are too difficult to understand, it's pretty much a personal dilemma.

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3 hours ago, bonnie said:

Oh? Banded SW Lightmode. Tell me where that is, what it is, what it does, and how the "lowest common denominators" are supposed to find this option, understand it, and know whether or not to use it.

 

Or can you not grasp the menus?

 

The cluttered, squished, poorly worded, and mostly undocumented scrolling menus. Compared to prboom+'s simple, easy to understand options in pretty, uncluttered, page-based, well marked, user-friendly menus, most of which don't even need to be bothered with in the first place... which apparently makes them less manageable.

Most of the default settings for GZDoom and Zandronum are pretty much ready to go for newcomers, since the only thing most newcomers would focus on is their video settings and/or renderer and obviously their controls. I do admit that they can be confusing for people who don't really know much about Doom, but then again, some people might test various settings on their own and see if they like it or not. Even then, you can pretty much customize ZDoom-related ports with minimal changes seeing that you don't really need to touch most of the settings anyways to play some Doom.

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GZDoom.

 

I used to toy with different source ports about ten years ago after getting tired of running Doom on DOSBox. I started using Doomsday/jDoom back in 2009 or so, amazed by its gorgeous visuals. At the same time, I also played with Skulltag just for some Super Mario mod that I wanted to play from time to time. I found out about ZDoom as well so I downloaded it, but rarely used it. Eventually, I got bored of Doomsday's minimal modding capability so I kept using Skulltag until it got discontinued in late 2010. At last, I got into GZDoom since it was a blend of the better visuals from Doomsday (specially in recent years) and the mod support of ZDoom. Never looked back ever since.

 

I use the ZDL launcher to load files into GZDoom rather comfortably.

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4 hours ago, Uni said:

How exactly? Can you provide an example?

Reread my post and you'll find one.

 

3 hours ago, PaquoCastor said:

Also, could a community ever agree on what the defaults should be without alienation?

Yeah, pretty easy: as vanilla as possible and let the user choose from there.

 

3 hours ago, PaquoCastor said:

PrBoom+ seems to have it's share of feature creep as well. (I get shadows, but why health bars?)

Sure, but it definitely doesn't have it anywhere near the scale of zdoom ports. As for the health bars, they can be useful for debugging/testing purposes to see the average remaining health of monsters in certain areas after fights.

 

2 hours ago, GuyNamedErick said:

Most of the default settings for GZDoom and Zandronum are pretty much ready to go for newcomers

No, that's the point: they aren't. Like at all. It's might be obvious from the get-go that the default settings are somewhat of a problem to some users, which will alert them that perhaps the settings need to be tinkered with more, which of course leads to them getting lost in the poorly designed menus. Other users who don't realize this though...

 

2 hours ago, GuyNamedErick said:

Even then, you can pretty much customize ZDoom-related ports with minimal changes seeing that you don't really need to touch most of the settings anyways to play some Doom.

Sure, you can play without many changes to play something that vaguely resembles Doom, or you could spent eons trying to work your way through all of the options, slowly bringing it back to a Doom-like state. OR you could always play something like Chocolate Doom or Prboom+ and actually be able to play Doom with minimal changes.

 

The point I'm making is that you shouldn't force some watered-down meme version of Doom on newcomers. Just let them play something vanilla like chocolate or DOS or something almost entirely vanilla with added features like Prboom+. Let them experience Doom the way it was when it was released, don't force your own way of playing on them because you think decals, low quality sound, and choppiness in a game from 1993 is more fun. Let them play true, authentic Doom in a user-friendly, customizable sourceport like Prboom+ (or fully vanilla with chocolate) and then let them branch out from there, unless they wanna play Brutal Doom first or something. If they play one level and hate it, so be it. At least that way they actually hate Doom, 1993 ID Software's release of Doom, bugs, quirks and all, and not just some vague resemblance of it.

 

Maybe they'll like mods or zdoom ports, maybe they won't. Let them decide and figure that out for themselves.

Spoiler

I have a strange feeling someone is gonna say "but bonnie!!!! you're forcing vanilla doom on people!!! hypocrite!!!!!!!!!!"

 

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I use Zandronum 3.0, mainly because my PC is a potato and most mods run near perfect on my PC with it. (EDIT: and also it has the best multiplayer in my opinion.)

Edited by V0idH0und : Because I wanted to. :)

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11 hours ago, bonnie said:

 

am i getting punked

 

litetally one of the defining characteristics of zdoom ports is how difficult it is to set them up and use them compared to most ports

 

like the settings are a complete maze and most of the settings are difficult to understand and don't always have obvious immediate effects

 

i can only assume you're all joshin me

Considering you focused on just part of my and someone else's post to go on a tangent that looks (to me) like an attempt at shit-stirring, yes, you punked and joshed yourself.

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I use a mixture of source ports but if I really had to choose I would pick Crispy Doom, its the small visual details you can enable in the crispness settings that make me love it even more. 

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I'm going to try not to be passive aggressive friends.1 See I was thinking about Firestorm Viewer and a lot of the flack it gets. And how added features always lead to some headaches somewhere, the curse of progress as it were.

 

12 hours ago, bonnie said:

Yeah, pretty easy: as vanilla as possible and let the user choose from there.

So, we, as a community, have gotten past square v. rectangular pixels and opl v. gus v. native midi? And if we want to annal wouldn't 'vanilla' require no resolution higher than 320x240? 320x240 full screen as default is what should be then, no? Or would that be 320x2002? Not to mention the problems involving hardware and software limitations, but I digress.

 

12 hours ago, bonnie said:

watered-down meme version of Doom

Ahahahahaahahahahah!!!111!!1oneoneone

 

Okay personal history time to show where I'm coming from. In like 200X I wanted to play more by that company that made my favorite games I played on that 286 I destroyed: Commander Keen. And there was that GBC game, maybe that's why I can almost stomach it, too hard though. I mean that 286 also had Wolf, but I wouldn't like that for a while. I found Doom Legacy on the net, and shareware Doom.  Sometime after Doom 3 came out, and I had already played Quake 3 and Doom II on GBA, I got that collection of Doom minus Master Levels that did not have original executables. So I got to experience Doom 95 on a Windows ME. Fun. And that's why I hate squashy-squashy doom. So after playing 'vanillia3' I moved on to Doomsday, with 3D models and all that Quake 2 stuffs. (Techbases and memories of Doomsday, you'd think I'd like Quake 2 more than I do.) There was a brief stint with Risen3D, because the maps by Sitters and Abbs. Then I wanted multiplayer, since my siblings wouldn't play with me. So I found Player Connector where I quickly became a Skulltager. I still was when Zandronum was being born, which I quickly changed to. But then Doom Classic Complete on PS3 happened, and I fell in love again. After playing Batman Doom and the Raven games in Chocolate I noticed the vanilla mapping era, like BTSX and DTWID and DINO. And Thou shall not save, and Skillsaw's Boom maps made me want to try out a Boom descendant, because I was more of a purist then. So I tried both PrBoom and Eternity, and hated both, that I just went to ZDoom anyway, but that annoyed me too. Then Retro came out and I was like, I can play NRFTL chocolate-like, heck yes! Eventually I came around to Eternity, I think Vaporware helped a lot there. So I think if I spent more time with any source port I could love it, maybe even Legacy again. But for now, Eternity works for me for what I tend to play. GZDoom for maps that require it, or with tag 0 lifts. GlBoom+ as a demo player, since most demos are PrBoom+ nowadays. Chocolate when I feel like it. I need more time with Crispy and Delphi, and even 3DGE, SLaVE looks interesting. Oh that's a wall of text with minimal editing, I hope I didn't Willits it.

 

 

1. Shoot, not even a sentence in.

2. See above

3. I was a child dang it!

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