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What possibly has happened to the Marine after the events of the game?

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1 hour ago, Adekis said:

That's sort of what I'd like to think of would happen - the three protagonists of the three episodes all become consultants, or maybe go-to anti-Hell fighters for Earth and UAC. After all, that seems to be what happened in the original Doom universe in Final Doom, to some extent. Nothing in any of the three in-game endings indicates that the D3 version of UAC treats the surviving marines with anything other than respect and gratitude.

 

It's more likely they just killed him or threw him into the loony bin to silence him. Or perhaps even blamed him for the disaster, claiming he was a mentally ill maniac that went berserk. I mean who's going to check if it's true? The base was on mars.

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6 hours ago, Adekis said:

That's sort of what I'd like to think of would happen - the three protagonists of the three episodes all become consultants, or maybe go-to anti-Hell fighters for Earth and UAC. After all, that seems to be what happened in the original Doom universe in Final Doom, to some extent. Nothing in any of the three in-game endings indicates that the D3 version of UAC treats the surviving marines with anything other than respect and gratitude.

Even if not consultants, they would probably train the special anti-Hell forces. At least the Doom3 marine would. And I agree with the last part, the UAC in this incarnation of the series is not obstructive and certainly not pro-Hell, only Bert was.

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Yeah, exactly. I get the sense that in Doom 3, the main thing that made UAC in any sense "evil" was just that Betruger was running the show. Betruger's the "bad apple" - all three campaigns have highly visible "good" representatives of Union Aerospace. Counselor Swann in the main mission, Dr. McNeil in Resurrection of Evil, and Dr. Meyers in the Lost Mission, all seem to be varying degrees of good and/or lawful. Sure they're pragmatically willing to send a marine to their potential deaths, but that's the job, and in no way indicates that they're willing to callously dispose of them later on.

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18 minutes ago, Adekis said:

Counselor Swann in the main mission, Dr. McNeil in Resurrection of Evil, and Dr. Meyers in the Lost Mission, all seem to be varying degrees of good and/or lawful. 

And not to mention, in ROE there is no evil insider in the UAC.

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It should be pointed out that during the novelization of Doom 3's story in the Making of Doom 3 book the UAC is characterized as being pretty evil, being basically a giant international arms dealer funding all sides of different wars for a massive profit. The Doom marine even jokes about it, saying that the UAC is special in that it's own customers kill each other.

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7 hours ago, hardcore_gamer said:

It should be pointed out that during the novelization of Doom 3's story in the Making of Doom 3 book the UAC is characterized as being pretty evil, being basically a giant international arms dealer funding all sides of different wars for a massive profit. The Doom marine even jokes about it, saying that the UAC is special in that it's own customers kill each other. 

On the one hand, I'm not totally sanguine about accepting promotional materials and tie-ins unquestioningly, but on the other, it's definitely more consistent with the games than all that Doom RPG stuff claiming that the guy in Lost Mission is the same guy in Doom 3 and Doom 64 or whatever, so I do want to engage with your claim. I also don't want to deny that the game itself does make allusions to UAC's questionable morals. They are, to some extent, evil, now that I look at it, but I still don't see that behavior reflected in the extra-Betruger UAC, so let's talk about that.

 

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The UAC is the largest corporate entity in existence. Originally focused on weapons and defense contracts, new ventures have expanded into biological research, space exploration, and other scientific endeavors. With unlimited funds and the ability to engage in research outside of moral and legal obligations, the UAC controls the most advanced technology ever conceived.

Clearly the game itself references the UAC's arms dealing background, and nothing contradicts the Making of Doom 3's claim that they're (or at least that they used to be - the words "originally" and "new" are ambiguous) a "giant international arms dealer." First of all though, in defiance of the opening narration, the Board is clearly concerned about Betruger going too far with his disregard for employees, human experimentation, lack of regard for safety in pursuing the teleportation, etc. Since however they allegedly have the ability to go outside laws and morals, I have to assume they have simply in this instance chosen not to. I infer that they probably have more problem with mistreatment of their own employees (and their own reputation as an employer) than with various Earth armies.

 

I mean if they didn't have a problem with Betruger's abuse, they wouldn't be sending Swann and Campbell. you know. Second of all, well, again, the ending animations after the game finishes up in all three campaigns have the marines being greeted warmly or escorted to safety. The retrieval squad express concern for the Corporal's welfare and escorts him to safety, they don't treat him as a potential prisoner or enemy element, McNeil welcomes the combat engineer warmly after he defeats Maledict, and the last survivor of Bravo Team is explicitly congratulated on his good work. Regardless of UAC's potential war profiteering, that doesn't seem to carry over to their own personnel. Good thing too, or I can't imagine they'd keep too many employees.

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Just because we see good intentioned staff members, doesn't mean the brains and decision makers of the UAC aren't cold and opportunistic. Even the board may just be concerned due to the alarming rate of mental break downs, deaths, injuries and mass requests to leave. All these factors can significantly harm progress and risk getting the word out to the public. That would be one of the board's concerns I'm sure.

 

I bet in the final months before the event, Betruger stopped much of his subtleties and let the situation get worse as he is so close. The base would have seen a major increase in issues and a drop in productivity with less reports explaining why.

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I might be late but with the combat potential of that Marine and the things he saw, he'd probably be handed a few golden keys. He knows more than any scientist ever did. The UAC would pay him well for information and he would have probably been stationed at an important laboratory to make sure things don't go wrong

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The UAC would have little need for the marine. Just because the research base was destroyed that doesn't mean all the data that was gathered during the experiments was also. In fact it's possible if not likely that plenty of backups were kept in case something went wrong. Once the marine was done explaining what happened they probably just threw him into an asylum to keep him from telling the public what happened. Imagine the massive shockwaves it would send through society if not only did it turn out that hell exists, but that your company was almost responsible for unleashing it unto humanity via your demented experiments. This would not make you look very good...

 

Hence, the marine would not be treated like a hero. It's much more likely that as the only last surviving person, he would just be framed for the whole disaster and then locked up somewhere. There is no way in hell the UAC would not cover this up. In fact this is even hinted at a bit during the opening of RoE where some of the marines say that "there is something they don't want us to know about...". That said there are some UAC personal at the base during RoE that do appear to know at least some of the truth, since there is a audio log from some spooked guy who's name I don't remember where he says he "can't believe it's all happened again" and calls the UAC "lying bastards", suggesting that he was aware the earlier base was invaded though it's questionable if he actually knew the invades were demons.

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Well, the company itself has extensive knowledge of Hell, it's architecture and environment thanks to exploration misions, and archeological sites in Mars, effects on the human body like infinte stamina, and massive strength boost coupled with maddening rage as the effects of Berzerk artifact, hell's effects on the human mind and soul as well (insanity and zombification), and also some of it's denizens (display tanks in Delta Labs, Sector 3 comes to mind). So it's unlikely that UAC killed off the sole survivor of a demon invasion, it makes more sense that the UAC sent the Marine to a UAC controlled mental institution for him to recover from the experience, and learn from his experience in order to better deal with another hell invasion, and maybe just experiment on him, try to synthetize an anti-zombification vaccine from his blood because he had contact with a spirit from hell who tried to possess him but it didn't work out. After that maybe he was convinced to remain working for the company with a promotion as Master Sergeant for his efforts and sent to another UAC colony in the solar system.

 

The UAC is stupid evil, but not retarded to the point that they never learn from their mistakes, ROE's invastion takes a year after the first invasion catching the company off guard because of the discovery of a strange artifact wich triggered a second invasion, so it makes it look as if "in universe" the UAC didn't have enough time to prepare, and didn't expect a second invasion so soon.

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2 minutes ago, Solmyr said:

and maybe just experiment on him, try to synthetize an anti-zombification vaccine from his blood because he had contact with a spirit from hell who tried to possess him but it didn't work out

 

There was never any decease that turned people into zombies. Hell just did this through evil magic, which the doctors could not explain/know about. Odds are the soulcube just removed those ill effects from the marine after he found it which is why he did not turn into a zombie. That or because the writers just did not bother worrying about it.

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