Plutonian Contest

Uhm, I'm a bit confused...does it have to just be based on, like inspired by, map 11 of Plutonia or does it actually have to use that level as a base?

Yeah, I'm a bit confused also. I mean, what's the goal of this contest exactly? Are we just asked to make the most best-looking map based on "Hunted"?

It said on his page best looking and best gameplay, but I'm not sure if we're actually supposed to use the real map as a base or not...

I think it's obvious, the goal is make a map based on that level. It is ilegal use it as base and distribute it.

Well on his page, he says take the map and add on to it.

He describes the Doom Hackers Guide as a "true museum piece". That's happy news, since I own a copy of that book. WITH utilities CD. :)

you have to start from plutonia map 11 for the contest, but then you can remove as well as adding stuff to the map.

it's not illegal, because there is no map re distribution involved, since you have to own final doom in order to participate in the contest or play the map, since your map must be playable with doom2.exe v1.9 with -file plutonia or with plutonia's doom2.exe (which requires plutonia.wad as iwad).

you do own an original copy of final doom or collector's doom, don't you ?

Thanks for the clarification.

Can I not use any of the original and just make my own interpretation?

no, you have to start from plutonia.wad's map 11, and plutonia.wad must be loaded with your map, either by lauching the game from plutonia's doom2.exe, or, if for some reason you require it, doom2 v1.9's doom2.exe with -file plutonia.wad.

I would suggest making the maps compatible with PrBoom instead of the original Doom2.exe. Many people who would otherwise enter will not be able to due to the fact that Doom2.exe may not run on their machine (ie some version of windows like xp or 2000). Some people also run Linux, which also cannot run Doom2.exe.

Well, after I'm done I'm going to extract the level using WinTex and send it in by itself, because I really don't feel like zipping up the entire Plutonia wad with one new level and sending it to you.

- make the maps compatible with the original exes that i mention. if it works with prboom as well, fine. i provide floppies of dr-dos on my website that allow you to play doom2.exe outside windows.

- you don't have to zip me the enitre plutonia wad. you have to send me the one map that you made. but it must be based on plutonia.wad, in such a way that you load it with plutonia's doom2.exe or with doom2.exe -file plutonia.wad yourwad.wad.

ethh said:

it's not illegal, because there is no map re distribution involved

Um, technically it is. The plutonia wad is copyrighted work and you're redistributing a modified part of it.

fraggle said:

Um, technically it is. The plutonia wad is copyrighted work and you're redistributing a modified part of it.

no, because you are required to run plutonia.wad (which you are supposed to have acquired legally) to run the contest's maps. anyway the contest is for fun, there is no commercial stuff involved, i sponsorise the contest from my own assets, so i don't imagine the casali brothers mailing me their veto for this.

Following that argument, you could as well take out one texture from plutonia.wad, release that whole WAD, and claim that it's legal because you can't play it without support by the original.

Fredrik said:

Following that argument, you could as well take out one texture from plutonia.wad, release that whole WAD, and claim that it's legal because you can't play it without support by the original.

well, i don't find this discussion very interesting, nor constructive. i'd rather get previews of entries than discuss obsolete legal matters about an abandonware product (now that even collector's doom sales have faded out).

It's not abandonware, just because sales have gone down doesn't mean they're not still selling it.

Archvile64 said:

It's not abandonware, just because sales have gone down doesn't mean they're not still selling it.

whatever

in any case, i don't ware final doom and i believe the results of this contest can be great fun. i plan to make demo contests for those maps with more prizes later on !