The /newstuff Chronicles #104

Hmmmmmm...Sounds Pretty Hardy. Me gotta try em'.

I didn´t get it! Is this ´The Adventures of MassMouth Do Over!´ a second episode or what? The screenshots seems to be from ´The Adventures of Massmouth´...

"Do Over" is implying that it's the same wad, but you should play it again to experience the new camera angles, game tweaks, etc.

I did, and I liked it a lot. Good stuff this week. :)

I never played the original Massmouth, but this remake rocks.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... I think now I got it... Thanx for the explanations! I think deathz0r should be clearer about that! (don´t get me wrong, OK, deathz0r?)

heh, i forgot to mention that.

Why is my old Darkmatch maps in this weeks newstuff?

Who combined them?

Why doesn't the switches work?

Anyway, to defend my reputation as mapper. These maps weren't suppposed to be any fun. It was more than anything a mockery wad. I was planning to make 32 maps of detailed bad gameplay maps for darkening e2. To poke fun at Gothic DM wads.

I'm actually surprised there, as for once he wasn't really harsh on the single player wads! Even Massmouth (which is really good IMO) which allows you to run around during the scripts and cut the camera scenes short (something which deathy normally bitches about) didn't get flamed for scripting bugs. Karthik's wad is pretty good as well, haven't played magikal's map yet.

Thanx deathzOr for a very fair review. Yes it's tough on UV but it's extra easy on HNTR with much less powerful monsters. In this map most fighting scenarios have an easy way to be resolved, you just have to suss how, a lot of work went into the gameplay.
Yes you'll get slowdown (in the final area) if your comp is below about 800mhz with a decent video card, sorry. Lowering your resolution helps. It runs slightly faster with ZDoom and Boom.
Sorry, but the screenshots are crap btw.

Does Massmouth work in zdoom 1.23 yet?

Daethz0r, you rey shoudl cover GAMEPLAY in the reviews, especially deathamtch. who gives a fuck what it LOOKS LIKE, its doom- a 10 year old engine. Especially in hellbents maps, you barley said anything about how it PLAYS just how it LOOKs

Epyo said:

Does Massmouth work in zdoom 1.23 yet?

That's what I played it with.

Oh Goodie, Ill go download it.

Wobbo said:

who gives a fuck what it LOOKS LIKE, its doom- a 10 year old engine.

I do. I don't want to play ugly maps. The looks is what sets the atmospohere. If looks are not important, why are there more than 1 texture? We could then as well play maps with STARTAN2 all over the palce, right?

is there even a ctf server up for skulltag right now?

999cop said:

is there even a ctf server up for skulltag right now?

If there was you'd not able to find it, because the master server is down (I think) ;)

yea, i notice

/me pokes carnevil

Ultimate DooMer said:

Even Massmouth (which is really good IMO) which allows you to run around during the scripts and cut the camera scenes short (something which deathy normally bitches about) didn't get flamed for scripting bugs.

Heh, well the only camera scene I remember that can be cut short is the one on map05 (with the bats) and I did that because it's kinda long and rather than sit through it again if you die, you can just move to start up the map.

As for running around during scripts...I don't recall that being able to happen, but...

hey deathie, i msged you on irc i don't know if you noticed, but there is a .lmp of me getting the powerups from the crate rooms at http://gamma.nic.fi/~kulma/k-ctf1.lmp and a .txt file (read it if you don't have a brain and can't run the .lmp) http://gamma.nic.fi/~kulma/k-ctf1.lmp.txt
i didn't nab the backpacks tho, those are actually harder than the mega-ups. :)

TIC2 .txt
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- "...the main area seems to resemble the outside area of MAP06. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he copy+pasted it from there."

If you read the damn text file you'd see that I used map06 as a base to make the map, which isn't automatically a bad thing as you so automatically imply.

Also, when you review DM maps, you should talk more about the gameplay than how much they resemble someone puking all over them....

kristus said:

To poke fun at Gothic DM wads.

hahahaha. man, if i knew that when i reviewed them...

Cyb!!! You answered my prayers!

I liked your reviews, Deathz0r. The only thing I would change is the "puke in my toilet" bit. Generally, I'd assume any puking to be done would be in a toilet of some sort and it's sort of redundant. If you wanted it to be funny, you'd probably do well to suggest the last place someone would expect to puke (It makes me want to puke gallons of extravegant colours all over my school's computer lab) or to do one better (It would take a very large toilet to hold all the puke I unleash at sight of this wad)
Other than that, perfect. :)

Edit: I just came up with another good one. Try this: "It makes me want to puke vigourously into the nearest toilet-resembling object. P.S. Sorry about your birdbath, Linguica."

boris said:

I do. I don't want to play ugly maps. The looks is what sets the atmospohere. If looks are not important, why are there more than 1 texture? We could then as well play maps with STARTAN2 all over the palce, right?

It's deathmatch, though. Who cares what the level looks like as long as the DM play is good. Remember Gothic99 and how nice it was to walk around in but how bad it was for DMing in?

Why is the point there that it is DM? Why do you think DM maps can get away with being ugly while SP ones can't?

if it uses more than 4 textures or if it has carefully checked vertical alignment, i'll play it. anything else just looks too simple.

Wobbo said:

Daethz0r, you rey shoudl cover GAMEPLAY in the reviews, especially deathamtch. who gives a fuck what it LOOKS LIKE, its doom- a 10 year old engine. Especially in hellbents maps, you barley said anything about how it PLAYS just how it LOOKs

Exactly for Doom almost being a 10 years-old engine maps should catch someone by the eyes, because nowadays there are games with better graphics.

Yay massmouth

Archvile46 said:

It's deathmatch, though. Who cares what the level looks like as long as the DM play is good. Remember Gothic99 and how nice it was to walk around in but how bad it was for DMing in?

Time spent on texturing/detail is worth it for DM, it aids gameplay if you know exactly where you are in relation to weapons/powerups/teleports etc when you spawn. If the level consists of boxy and mono-textured rooms its a lot more difficult to memorise.

myk said:

Why is the point there that it is DM? Why do you think DM maps can get away with being ugly while SP ones can't?

Because gameplay is THE MOST important thing in DM. Whereas, in single player, gameplay and aesthetics are about equally important.

fen boi said:

Time spent on texturing/detail is worth it for DM, it aids gameplay if you know exactly where you are in relation to weapons/powerups/teleports etc when you spawn. If the level consists of boxy and mono-textured rooms its a lot more difficult to memorise.

I dunno, there are some pretty ugly D5 maps (like all of them) that are fun to play in.