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  1. SimKoning

    New Skyboxes for Phobos and Io

    One of the oddly goofy aspects of the original Doom game is that although Episode 1 clearly takes place on Phobos, complete with a crater covered map, the skybox is forest-covered mountains in China. Just... why? Sergeant_Mark_IV got it right for this Brutal Doom version of Doom64 and I'm surprised I can't find something similar for Doom1. Has anyone done this yet? Final Doom TNT: Evilution has a similar problem, with snow-covered mountains for what should be the hellish, volcanic landscape of Io with Jupiter taking up much of the sky... that would look amazing. *Edit* Having the "Demon Spaceship" in the sky would look sweet too. I've searched all over, and the Brutal Doom64 skybox is the closest thing I've found. I wish I could do it myself, but I've only recently started learning about and using the plethora of mods out there. Thanks,
  2. SimKoning

    DOOM easter eggs / references / injokes

    It's possible the tomb in Doom 3 is empty, the way a soldier who was lost in war and presumed dead would have an empty casket burial. Another possibility is that, given we are talking about Hell here, he really died, and was reborn in Hell somehow. I think the former makes more sense than the latter, but that's just my opinion. I have a feeling the "Wretch" was the Betrayer trying to atone for what he did. Anyway, the Martians were not kidding about him being their greatest warrior. He makes the Marine in Doom 3 seem as deadly as a toddler. Also, the Doom Marine is a Martian in green armor... that's just awesome.
  3. I’m playing through Doom3 again after completing Doom’16, and being a huge worldbuilding nerd, I went to the Doom wiki and read through the timelines again, and I noticed they line up better than I originally thought. At first, it seemed like a stretch, but it looks like Id either intentionally or accidentally kept things somewhat consistent. Some key points: 1) Some things make more sense in Doom3 and Doom’16 when read in reference to each other. I’ll explain this with notes in the timeline. 2) Despite what I remembered, Mars in Doom3 is shown as partially terraformed. In Doom3 the Marine is shown walking around in the Martian atmosphere with little more than an O2 mask. This is only possible if the planet is terraformed. In Doom’16, there seems to be more oxygen based on all the fires, but the differences between the Mars of Doom3 and Doom’16 aren’t as great as I thought. 3) The Argent Tower complex could be very far away from Mars City, so the invasion and destruction of Mars City wouldn’t necessarily impact the Argent facility. Moreover, the events of Doom3 help explain the lack of other large population centers on Mars during the events of Doom’16. 4) The differences in creature design is a non-issue, since Doom’16 implies there are a variety of different types of imps (reg. imps, summoners etc.), and classes of Hell Knights (Hell Barons etc.), with pinkies being “animals” of Hell. Some of the designs are the same anyway (e.g Hell Knights). THE TIMELINE -Unknown Time in the Universe’s Past Malevolent beings capable of stealing and exploiting the souls of sentient creatures are imprisoned in a parallel universe that will later come to be known as Hell. 2 Million B.C. An advanced race of beings the Demons refer to as the Seraphim uplift a human civilization that later colonizes Mars. Little is known about them today except they had advanced technology and social stratification of some kind. (Here, I’m assuming the Seraphim were actually aliens/Martians. This is an attempt to explain why the Doom Slayer, the Night Sentinels, and the Martians are basically human in appearance.) ~200,000 B.C. Anatomically modern humans evolve in Africa <40,000 B.C. - The First Age of Ascension (The following is a combination of the backstory presented in Doom3 and Doom’16. They line up well. This is based on the fact that the first age involves a great battle, an Armageddon, the defeat of a Great Serpent by the “Guardian” etc. This sounds very similar to the history of the Martians in Doom3. There is also mention of the Doom Slayer absorbing the souls of his enemies, which sounds like the Soul Cube.) The Martians begin experimenting with wormhole technology that allows them to travel instantly between worlds. They use the portals to freely travel between Mars, Argent (a major energy source), and Earth. The technology inadvertently opens a gateway to Hell, resulting in a demonic invasion of Mars. A war between the Martians and Hell begins The martians greatest warrior, the Guardian, who the Demons would come to know as the Doom Slayer, leads the battle against the Demons. Equipped with the Soul Cube, which allows him to absorb the souls of fallen demons, and the Praetor suit, a virtually indestructible armor plated with adamantine materials forged in the fires of Hell, the Guardian decimates the demonic forces. The Guardian defeats the Great Serpent and destroys the greatest demon beast, a gigantic Titan, and routes the armies of Hell. Unsatiated with the destruction of the Great Serpent and the Titan, the Doom Slayer assaults the Blood Keep, where the Demon Priests ambush him, toppling the tower onto him. The priests then sealed the Doom Slayer in a stone sarcophagus where he would remain forever unless freed. To honor him, the Martian survivors build a tomb on Mars, filling it with warnings of Hell, and erect statues of the Doom Slayer on Mars and Argent. (Doom3 never explains exactly how the “Hero” persished. Here I’m assuming the tomb is symbolic and he was actually lost in Hell. See notes about the statues later in the timeline.) With most of the Martians having been sacrificed to power the Soul Cube, their civilization was destroyed and Mars is once again rendered inhospitable. Some of the survivors travel to Earth, where they influence human language and mythology. Others survive on Argent D’Nur, a distant colony world once connected to Mars via a portal. (The Doom’16 Codex plainly states that the people of Argent colonized their world, they weren’t native. The native “race” was the Wraiths, a rather monstrous species shown on their backs, chests cut open, at the end of Doom’16. Moreover, this explains why The Well connects to a "fracture" on the Martian surface. It may be a remnant of a portal between Mars and Argent D'Nur.) On Argent, the monstrous “elemental” race of alien creatures known as the Wraiths, which were native to the world, are harnessed for their energy. Unfortunately, the energy of the Wraiths attracts the forces of Hell, as it has the power to create dimensional fractures in space and time. The Night Sentinels, empowered by the Wraiths, are able to defeat Hell’s attempts at invasion. Deag Grav and the other demon priests devise a plan to overthrow the Argent D’Nur. Deag Grav tricks a Night Sentinel, grieving over loss of his son who was lost in battle, into betraying the Wraiths. Led to their lair by the Betrayer, the demons ambush the Wraiths. The demons pull the Wraith’s hearts from their bodies to form The Well, which produces a fracture in spacetime between Argent D’Nur and the ancestral homes of the Night Sentinel’s: Mars and Earth. Middle Ages A war is waged between Argent and Hell. At one point during the War, a portal is opened that connects Iron Age Europe to the Titan Realm of Hell. The Night Sentinels succeed in closing it but not before an Earth city is pulled into Hell. The interaction with the people of Earth influences myths of Hell and angels. (This is based on three things: The Titan Realm level shows the skeletons and armor of medieval warriors in Hell (as well as medieval architecture), the armor of the Night Sentinels looks like medieval armor, and the codex states that some of the architecture in Hell looks similar to ancient architecture on Earth.) As a final blow to Argent, Deag Grav resurrects the fallen son of the Betrayer as the Icon of Sin, the Demon Spitter. Faced with an endless wave of demons, the Night Sentinels are finally defeated, the people of Argent are turned into the Unwilling, and the world of Argent is fractured and assimilated into the Inferno. 21st Century 2019 Samuel Hayden is born. 2095 The Argent Fracture is discovered in a trench on Mars by an expedition from the SS Amundsen. October 29 - Construction of Phase One, Alpha Labs and terraforming stations begin on Mars (It’s interesting that both games have the first Martian outposts established at basically the same time.) 2096 The Union Aerospace Corporation establishes an outpost on Mars to extract plasma from the Argent Fracture. 2104 The explorations of the caverns in 2104 leads to the discovery of ancient artifact code-named U1, the Soul Cube, along with stone tablets written by the ancient Martian civilization depicting a humanoid warrior using the cube in battle against monsters. (The Praetor suit sculpture is code-named U9, as if it were taken from the same site, and resembles the warrior on one of the tomb's tablets.) 2115 Martian Civilization is first discovered 2120 Construction of Mars City begins. 2122 March 10 - A statue of the Praetor Suit, codenamed U9, is excavated. 2124 November 16 - Two Ancient Sentinel statues are excavated (Artifact J46). (The dates under these statues are before the first explorations of Hell in Doom’16 and before the first portals are built in Doom3. Moreover, the Soul Cube code is U1, and the Praetor suit code is U9. This could just be a mistake on Id’s part, or the writing team could have been imply some connection.) 2127 - The Argent Tower is completed. 6 months later, Samuel Hayden transfers his mind over to a cyborg to continue his existence, after his body breaks down due to Stage 4 Cancer. 2130 July 17 - The Alpha Labs are completed 2136 The Advanced Research Complex is completed. 2139 Project Mercury, is built in Delta Labs, and became operational. 2143 During one of the first teleporter explorations, the Corrax tablets are retrieved from Hell in a UAC Automated Survey. (The Advanced Research Complex of Doom’16 and the portal experiments of Doom3 take place within 3 years of each other. Artifacts and demon remains are retrieved shortly after in both timelines) 2144 January 1 - Research on a partial Imp remains. February 5 - Hellknight (partial) research. July 28 Series 3 Plasma Gun information video is released. November 2 - Research on the Living Dead. 2145 The first Project Lazarus Manned Expedition is sent to Hell. The expedition ends with complete loss of human life, but achieved its mission. The sarcophagus of the Doom Marine is recovered from Kadingir Sanctum. July 12 - Research on the Imp September 27 - Revenant research October 5 - Specimen Stasis Museum video is produced, Soul Cube video is produced. Tablets video is produced. October 10 - BFG 9000 Briefing video is produced. October 13 - The first incident occurred on October 13th, 2145 at the Exis surface tunnel. One of the construction workers, Bill Sanders, was unloading a shipment of steel supports when a procurement manager stopped him. In the heated conversation that followed, Sanders grabbed a nearby pickaxe and lunged at the manager. Luckily the argument beforehand generated a sizable crowd, and when Sanders attacked the manager, a number of men were able to subdue him. Jenny Lin broke into a supply cabinet containing emergency weaponry supplied to the local security teams. For reasons unknown she then became hostile and killed two security officers. Another security officer was injured while bravely putting himself in harms way. Technician Lin was also killed. November 15 - A marine corporal arrives on Mars on Transport 4409 at 6:18 MC, he was transferred as punishment for assaulting a superior officer for ordering his soldiers to fire upon civilians, and to replace another soldier. The commanding officer and his body cast were shipped to Pearl Harbor, while the Marine were transferred to Mars, home of the Union Aerospace Corporation. . +6 hours post invasion: An experiment in the Delta Labs triggers an unknown event, resulting in a demonic invasion of the entire facility. Marine forces are deployed to hotspots around the facility, with many teams encountering heavy resistance. Bravo Team was ambushed in EnPro facility while searching for survivors. There was only one survivor of the team. November 20, 2145 - The Recon Zulu marine team found only one survivor, a Marine Corporal. Important UAC personnel such the company's lawyer and counselor Elliot Swann and his bodyguard Jack Campbell, who arrived hours before the outbreak to make an assessment of the whole Mars operation and enact damage control if necessary, were found dead. Master Sergeant Thomas Kelly and other Delta Labs scientists were also found dead. The marine team had no information regarding the fate of Dr. Malcolm Betruger, the chief scientist of Delta Labs who - unknown to them - had become the demon Maledict. (This would be the first portal opening. Note this follows a similar pattern to what happened to Olivia Pierce: Betruger, a brilliant scientists, was assimilated as a demon and became one of their leaders.) 2146 May 1 - An orbital probe detects a faint unidentified signal broadcast from the abandoned Site 1 Complex. August 6 - Mars mission Goals & Safety video is produced. August 8 - The UAC announces the renewal of its Mars research program. Dr. Elizabeth McNeil is chosen to lead the primary assessment team. (This shows that the UAC didn’t abandon its research even after the destruction of Mars City. In events of Doom’16, they become a cult.) Industrial accident related deaths in the Foundry drop significantly thanks to new UAC safety protocols where employees exposed to dangerous materials are sent to the Lazarus Labs. The first Project Lazarus Tethering Operation is conducted. Pinkies are discovered for the first time. September 12 - Elizabeth McNeil welcomes personnel to the Site 1 Expedition. 2147 A Marine Combat Engineer is sent to investigate Martian ruins, where he discovers an ancient artifact that reopens the original Martial Hell Portal. He fights his way to the Delta Labs where he enters Hell to combat the Maledict. He succeeds in his mission and the Martian portal is sealed once again. (This would be the secoind portal opening.) 2148 The second Project Lazarus Tethering Operation is on the Great Steppe. The expedition ends in a confrontation with the Hell Guard, resulting in similar losses to the first expedition. The petrified remains of a Baalgar demon is recovered. 2149 Olivia Pierce and her cult trigger a hell wave and releases captive demons into the Argent outpost facilities, killing virtually all staff. The wave awakens the Doom Slayer, who battles his way through the demonic forces. Using an argent Accumulator, Olivia Pierce opens a massive portal to Hell over the Argent Tower, allowing for the mass invasion of Mars. The Doom Slayer fights his way through Hell back to his homeland, Argent D’Nur, now assimilated into Hell, where he frees the Wraiths, destroying the Well. Afterwards, he finds Olivia who is absorbed by a spider demon, which the Doom Slayer quickly destroys. Samuel Hayden uses to the tether to pull the Doom Slayer from Hell, but takes the Crucible Sword from him and leaves him trapped in the Vega facility on the Martian ice cap. This would be the third and largest portal opening.) Timeline Source: http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_Timeline
  4. SimKoning

    DOOM easter eggs / references / injokes

    I think the idea is it's stylized, like Greek artwork depicting warriors fighting naked with swords and shields - it's not meant to convey that he fought a Holy War against the Demons with his balls hanging out.
  5. SimKoning

    The Doom3 Timeline Fits Well with Doom'16

    Yeah, I haven't played it in a long time, and may have missed it the first time through. The soul cube looks like it has four, closed eyes, but underneath that pattern, is a clearly humanoid face. It looks like a human face in the mouth of something more alien - not sure if the artist who designed it was trying the communicate something with that, but at least the bulk of the Martian population consisted of humans, much like Argent D'Nur. Holy crap... I'm starting to think I'm actually right here, and Id has a stronger connection between Doom3 and Doom16 than fans realize.
  6. SimKoning

    The Doom3 Timeline Fits Well with Doom'16

    I revised the section on the origin and nature of the Martians. I played through Doom3 again and was reminded that the Martians, like the Night Sentinels, were basically human.
  7. SimKoning

    New Skyboxes for Phobos and Io

    I was playing through Knee Deep in the Dead, and I'm starting to doubt what I'm suggesting would work. There are several points where you go outside, and you can see what looks like algae growing on the exterior walls. So a sky like what's shown in the Op probably wouldn't make sense, visually. It would be easier to photoshop a transparent dome over the crater during the end mission screen...
  8. SimKoning

    New Skyboxes for Phobos and Io

    The rims of the craters (not mountains) should probably be brownish, too, like the pic linked earlier in the thread. Otherwise they would clash with the brown colors of the base itself and they wouldn't match the world map.
  9. SimKoning

    New Skyboxes for Phobos and Io

    Probably. I was going to try to figure it out myself, but I figured I would see if someone else had already done it, or was considering doing it.
  10. SimKoning

    New Skyboxes for Phobos and Io

    This is very true, but this is the same corporation that can basically create wormholes (that connect to Hell no less...) without planetary masses, so I guess we can assume they figured out how to generate artificial gravity without using rotation or linear acceleration. Anyway, an accurate skybox would look cool regardless, realism aside. The Doom64 skybox certainly looks awesome.
  11. SimKoning

    New Skyboxes for Phobos and Io

    The world map shows a barren crater with no atmosphere, not forest covered mountains. A huge, subsurface dome would make more sense. The structure that's shown on the surface could be just the very top of the dome. So basically this, but underground where it would actually be protected from impacts and radiation:
  12. SimKoning

    New Skyboxes for Phobos and Io

    @JohnnyTheWolf There's no atmosphere on Phobos to terraform. It's really tiny, basically just a captured asteroid. A more plausible rationalization is that the E1M1 Hanger is inside a huge cavern that was hollowed out and pressurized by the UAC. The only problem with that is the hanger base is shown on the moon's cratered surface on the world map.
  13. SimKoning

    New Skyboxes for Phobos and Io

    Phobos is really close to Mars, so close that it will be ripped apart by Mars in about 10 million years. To put things in perspective, Phobos is 9.5 thousand kilometers from Mars at at its most distant, while the Moon is 405 thousand kilometers from Earth at apogee. So something like this: Io is Jupiter's closest Moon, so it would appear huge in the sky as well. The Skybox should look like massive volcanoes with stars and Jupiter above.
  14. SimKoning

    The Doom3 Timeline Fits Well with Doom'16

    Before I continue, everyone on here should keep in mind that the developers themselves say there is no right answer right now, that they don't want to say what's really going on, and that they love what the fans are coming up with. I'm working on my own science fiction project, but this is a fun break from what I usually work on, which is hard science fiction devoid of supernatural elements. The idea that they could incorporate some of these ideas makes this surprisingly fun. Regarding the the "reboot" comments, there are different types of reboots: soft reboots and hard reboots. The first iteration of Doom4 was a soft reboot, a game that isn't obviously connected to Doom3 but is still set in the same universe. Doom'16 was said to be a reboot, but the developers are also leaving the origins of the protagonist vague and are not confirming or denying connections to the other games. I think it would be absolutely brilliant if they pulled their entire intellectual property together into a single, cohesive universe. It would elevate their IP to something comparable to Aliens or Mass Effect in terms of depth. @Hardcore_Gamer: 1) The portal research in Doom3 and Doom'16 start at about the same time, and both games have a lead scientist working directly with the Demons. It's implied or directly stated in all the games that Hell acquired the technology for its cyberdemons from the UAC (they otherwise live in a "Medieval" style world - just look around in Hell.) 2) http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Codex/Weapons The actual codex entries say there were other BFG prototypes. Only the "final" version of the weapon was housed at the ARC facility. The only potential problem is the suffix "9000", but the one in Doom3 works very similarly and may be a slightly older prototype of the same model. The situation is basically the same with the plasma rifle, which is described as being based on technology that goes back to the early 21st Century. Weapon and other design differences could be explained by the fact that the Elite UAC Guards at the Argent facility had access to more advanced equipment, whereas the marines at Mars City had standard issue Marine equipment and armor. 3) I think you're overstating the differences between the depictions of Hell. More importantly, the "realms" shown in Doom'16 are assimilated worlds, like what happened to the Deimos base and parts of Earth in the original games. The final level is actually Argent D'Nur - You can even see a moon in the sky, as if an entire planet was assimilated. Doom3 seems to be somewhere "deeper" ... and worse. I don't really get your point about the monsters; some of the designs are identical, and some, like the Summoner, are just as disturbing, if not more so, than many of the Doom3 designs. The Hell Knights are the same design, and the Hell Razers look like beefed-up, armored Imps from Doom3 (the codex even suggests they're related to Imps, along with the Summoners). -Where I do agree is that the events of Doom1, Doom2, and Doom64 would have to take place *after* the events of Doom3 and Doom'16 if Id were to throw them in as part of the same continuity. For the Doom Slayer to be the original Doomguy, time travel would have to be involved, which is something I played around with in the other timeline I worked out on Reddit - that one was different than the one in the OP because it incorporates all the games like some fans want. It was an attempt to do so without blatant contradictions. For people who don't want to read it - the Tl;DR is: Doom Marine fights the demons with the Soul Cube for the Martians and gets trapped in Hell. Doom Marine later becomes the leader of the Night Sentinels, who were uplifted by the Martians (which is why Argent is connected to Mars through Hell). Another war is fought and eventually lost. The Doom Slayer is trapped in the Blood Keep. The UAC establishes a base on Mars and begins experimenting with portal technology. 2145 The Doom Marine is recovered from Hell in a stone sarcophagus, where he remains until 2149. 2145: The events of Doom3 take place and Mars City is destroyed. A Marine Cpl. is the soul survivor and is rescued by Recon Zulu. A distress signal is received from Phobos and Recon Zulu responds along with the Marine Cpl who is left guarding the perimeter o fthe facility.. Recon Zulu is wiped out. The events of Doom1 take place. [It's worth noting that Doom1 takes place on Phobos, Deimos, and in Hell, but the Doom2 manual says he stopped an invasion on Mars. This is a continuity error unless we assume Doom3 was a prequel to Doom1.] 2149 - the Doom Slayer wakes up - the events of Doom'16 take place. 2150's - Due to events likely involving the Crucible, a portal is opened on Earth. The Marine Cpl. arrives on Earth five years in the future to find it in ruins, billions are dead. The events of Doom II take place The events of Final Doom take place. The events of Doom64 take place. The Doom Marine remains in Hell forever to fight the demon hoards. Prehistory. The Marine exits through a portal on Mars and encounters an alien civilization engaged in war with Hell. He stops the invasion and eventually becomes known as the Doom slayer The idea here being he really did choose the path of perpetual torment and is looping through time. This could be used to explain why his armor looks, and is marked like, armor made by the UAC in the future relative to Doom3 and Doom'16 - he's wearing Marine armor from the 2150's or 2160's... head explodes. See the Reddit post for a more detailed explanation: https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/5nl7oo/perpetual_torment_doomguy_timeloop/
  15. SimKoning

    The Doom3 Timeline Fits Well with Doom'16

    My point was they don't blatantly contradict each other, either by accident or design. They line up so well, right down to when Mars is first colonized and Hell is first explored, the fact that the Praetor suit's code is U9 and the Soul Cube is U1, and several other details, I have to conclude they were clearly referencing the world established in Doom3, albeit loosely. One of my favorite examples is that in Doom3, there are two companies, Mixom and Moxim, who were engaged in a lawsuit. You can see their logos on various objects in the background. 4 years later in Doom'16, it's Mixxom, as if the companies merged following the lawsuit. You don't get details like that unless the art team is paying attention to what they did in the previous game. And of course, the image of the Doom Slayer on the parchment in Hayden's office is very similar to the image of the Martian Hero on the tablet of Doom3.
  16. SimKoning

    The Doom3 Timeline Fits Well with Doom'16

    "Q: How does Africa come into all this?" It's where our species, H. sapiens, evolved. The Night Sentinels and the Martian "Hero" on the tablet, who may be the same basic character as the Doom Slayer, is clearly human in appearance. So the Night Sentinels, who were colonists on Argent, must have emerged less than 200 to 100 thousand years ago. It's analogous to the first civilization in the Halo universe which existed over 100 thousand years ago. I also noticed ammo pouches on the belts of the Night Sentinels, both the statues and their "ghosts" that appear after fighting the guardians. Furthermore, the end credits show them with high-tech armor. Conclusion: They used guns and high tech swords, which explains why the Doom Slayer was called the "Doom Marine" by researchers, and why he had an "affinity", as Hayden put it, for guns. Other armor related issues: It looks like the UAC was trying to reverse engineer his suit, using it as a prototype of sorts, which explains all the logos and numbers. Maybe they were trying to make it look like they developed it themselves, for their shareholders? It also explains why the elite guards have "praetor chips". If the Doom Slayer's suit were UAC in origin, it raises the question as to why the UAC didn't realize it was something they made in the past. You're also left wondering how everyone forgot about an invasion of Earth that killed billions of people. The only way I could see the events of the original games fitting into what I have in the OP is if Recon Zulu Team went to Phobos immediately after the events of Doom3, with the Marine coming out of Hell five years in the future on Earth after the events of Doom'16. But he would still be a different character than the Doom Slayer.
  17. The new Doom backstory is both fun and frustrating. It’s fun because it’s clearly a work of deliberately vague writing meant to get fans excited as they guess what’s really going on. It’s frustrating, because no single “theory” I’ve seen so far (I've searched) seems to resolve the paradoxical details. However, I suspect - I hope - I have it figured out for the most part. If the following is what Id intended, I have to say I’m impressed by the cleverness of it all. The most problematic elements first: The Doom Marine Himself The Doom Marine is implied to be part of some ancient, otherworldly order, but his suit is clearly covered in Roman numeral serial numbers, English corporate logos (e.g. IO Logisticts Manufacture 8623) on more than one location, and various other markings and English writing that are baffling if his suit is of entirely alien origin. One could argue that these were added by the UAC, but they are not UAC logos, and several of the markings are partially worn away, not newly added. When he activates his helmet, it reads “Boot Sequence” in English, and then translates alien text into English rather than the other way around. And, of course, he understands English, has a suspicious familiarity with human weapons, and can easily operate modern computer systems. His origins are described as a mystery even in the Codex, which only provide conjecture as to his true nature: “Whether he is god, demon or human will remain undetermined until the Argent barrier protecting his body can be deactivated.” One would think that the researchers would have noticed the corporate logos, but they don’t seem to be visible from the front, and the suit seems to have been left in the rock. Moreover, they only had “a few weeks”, to clean and test it before Hayden whisked it away. Demons and Hell are Discussed With Surprising Familiarity Throughout the Environment Codex entries, Demons are discussed as though they are a well-understood reality, not a secret. Employees are given warnings about accidentally being pulled into Hell, how to properly die if attacked by a Demon, told about various Demon “species” etc. Furthermore, the computer systems on the base are programmed with terms such as “Demon Invasion” and “Demonic Contamination” as if they are a well-understood, expected problem. This suggests Demonic invasions have happened before, and they are far from a mystery for humanity. The Argent Sentinels - What are They? It’s strongly implied in the codex that the Demons of Hell are not demons in the traditional, religious sense, more likely they are the inspiration to Demon and Netherworld mythology - they’re something more “Lovecraftian”. In the same sense, it’s implied that the Argent people are the inspiration, or analog, of Heaven, with the Wraiths being “gods” (Slayer’s Testament III) and the Night Sentinels as their angelic holy servants (later, seraphim). Rather depressingly, the “real” heaven was conquered by Hell in the Doom universe. So what is going on here? Consider the following interpretation of events: (Possible) Timeline Prehistory The First Age of Ascension - A human or humanoid precursor civilization colonizes Argent D’Nur and encounters the Wraiths. (This is confusing, because both the Demons and Argent people use “ages”. It’s not clear if the First Age of Ascension is the same as the first of the four demon ages, the latter of which seems to be based on Demon leadership and invasions. Possible Demon ages: First age under the Icon of Sin [perhaps also known as the Great Serpent], and two subsequent ages, and finally the fourth age under the Aranea Imperatrix.) Hell attempts to conquer Agent D’Nur, but is repelled A member of the Night Sentinels is tricked by a hell priest, Deag Grav, into betraying the Wraiths in hopes of resurrecting his son who fell in battle fighting the Demon hoard. The Wraiths are cursed and used to form The Well. The Sentinel’s son is transformed into the Icon of Sin. (This makes the Icon of Sin a fallen “angel” of sorts, thus making him a loose analog of Satan). Argent D’Nur is assimilated into Hell. Early 21st Century, Sol System The UAC established research, mining, and waste disposal outposts on Mars, Phobos, and Deimos. A Marine is transferred to duty at a waste disposal site on Mars following his violent assault of a commanding officer. The UAC begins teleportation experiments that lead to the mysterious deaths of employees. The Martian facilities receives a distress call from Phobos and Deimos seems to simply vanish from the sky. Marines are dispatched in response - all die except one. The surviving marine fights through the Phobos station, is transported to Deimos, part of which appears to have been assimilated into Hell, before finally fighting his way to the surface of hell where he slays the original Spider Mastermind. He then makes his way to Earth, where he finds a massive invasion in progress. Earth forces try to evacuate survivors only to stopped by a “forcefield” of fire. He fights his way back into Hell and defeats the Icon of Sin (which after goes into a dormant state). The invasion is largely stopped, with the exception of a pocket remnant led by a Cyberdemon (No Rest for the Living), which he later defeats as well. (This may be the battle of the first age referred to in the Hell Knight codex entry and the Slayer's Testament I. This would mean the Icon of Sin is also known as the Great Serpent - basically Satan - and the Doom Slayer is also referred to as the Guardian.) The UAC is reformed under new leadership and conducts the Plutonia Experiments on Earth. Following the failure of the Plutonia experiment, the UAC attempts further portal research on Jupiter’s Moon Io. The Io base is assaulted by a living Demon warship of unknown origin. (It's worth noting the corporate tag on the Doom Marine's armor says "IO Logistics Manufacture.) The UAC abandons its teleporter research and classifies the Doom episodes. Its former demon infested bases are sealed and sterilized with radiation. Unbeknownst to them, a “Mother Demon” survives, and begins resurrecting demons, mutating them into more powerful forms in the process. The Doom Marine, plagued by nightmares and the effects of repeatedly traveling to Hell, is recommissioned one last time. He defeats the Mother Demon and decides to remain in Hell forever, where he torments and destroys Demons endlessly. (I know many of you think the Doom 64 connection is a stretch but please consider how the Codex describes the “rise” of the Doom Slayer: "In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened, one stood [possible reference to Doom I]. Burned by the embers of Armageddon [possible reference to Doom II], his soul blistered by the fires of Hell and tainted beyond ascension, he chose the path of perpetual torment [Exactly what happened at the end of Doom 64]. In his ravenous hatred he found no peace; and with boiling blood he scoured the Umbral Plains seeking vengeance against the dark lords who had wronged him. He wore the crown of the Night Sentinels [the symbol of the Night Sentinels resembles a stylized Marine anchor - see notes later in the the timeline below], and those that tasted the bite of his sword named him... the Doom Slayer.") The Doom Marine encounters the “seraphim”, the angelic spirits of the Night Sentinels, now trapped in Hell along with Argent D’Nur and is granted supernatural abilities. (Seraphim is plural, seraph is singular. The seraphim could be another term for the Night Sentinels and a nod to their “angelic” nature. Slayer’s Testament IV says “The age of his reckoning was uncounted. The scribes carved his name deep in the tablets of Hell across eons, and each battle etched terror in the hearts of the demons.” The terms “uncounted” and “across eons” suggests “practically forever”. This isn’t really a problem, however, because the story is dealing with interdimensional portals, which opens up possibilities such as 100 years passing on Earth while thousands of years pass in hell, hence the “four ages”.) The Demons, now facing an eternity with an unstoppable foe, send a Baalgar Demon (a Titan) to face him. The Doom Marine defeats the beast and routes the Demon forces. The heretic, the Night Sentinel who was betrayed by Deag Grav, upgrades the Doom Marine’s armor to be like those of the Argent warriors, a form of power armor capable of absorbing and harnessing Argent energy. (This is implied by the use of “wretch” and “heresy”. The Codex Entry about Argent D’Nur refers to the Sentinels as “wretches” and “heathens”. More specifically, in Wraiths III refers to the Sentinel who turned against his order as the "Wretched Betrayer".) The Demon Priest stage an ambush and trapped the Doom Slayer in the Blood Keep, trapping him inside a supernaturally sealed sarcophagus. Late 21st Century to Mid 22nd Century, Mars (Timeline Source: Doom Wiki) (While the codex says there wasn’t much motivation to colonize Mars beyond exploration, it never explicitly says it lacked outposts or any human presence. What’s clear is that Mars became an important industrial center following the discovery of the Argent fracture and only then was it terraformed.) 2095 - The Argent Fracture is discovered. Argent plasma was discovered in a trench on Mars by an expedition from the SS Amundsen. 2096 - The discovery of the Argent Fracture shifts Mars from being mainly a location for research outposts to a major industrial center. Extensive terraforming efforts begin. 2127 - The Argent Tower is completed . 6 Months Later - Samuel Hayden transfers his mind over to a cyborg to continue his existence, after his body breaks down due to Stage 4 Cancer. 2136 - The Advanced Research Complex is completed. 2143 - The Corrax tablets are retrieved from Hell in a UAC Automated Survey. 2145 - The first Project Lazarus Manned Expedition is sent to Hell. The expedition ends with complete loss of human life, but achieved its mission. The sarcophagus of the Doom Marine is recovered from Kadingir Sanctum. 2146 - Industrial accident related deaths in the Foundry dropped significantly thanks to new UAC safety protocols where employees exposed to dangerous materials are sent to the Lazarus Labs. 2147 - The second Project Lazarus Tethering Operation is conducted. The expedition ends in a confrontation with the Hell Guard. 2148 - The second Project Lazarus Manned Expedition is sent to the Great Steppe. The expedition ends with similar losses. The petrified remains of a Baalgar demon is recovered. 2149 - February - The Argent Facility - UAC base had its last accident. October - Doom 2016 Begins. (Regarding Doom 3: That timeline appears to be very much mutually exclusive. Mars is not terraformed in Doom 3, and Demons are portrayed as a completely unexpected discovery and a mystery, whereas as in Doom 2016, they’re almost treated well-understood feature of the Martian environment. The monsters are also quite different, with the Demons of Doom 2016 essentially being the same as those of the original series. Compare the pinky demons and Imps for example.)
  18. SimKoning

    Making Sense of the Doom2016 Backstory

    Doom Slayer is NOT Original Doom Marine (I was wrong) I was having a discussion with EarthrealmsChampion on Reddit under my last post about the logos and serial numbers found on the Praetor suit. Many fans, including myself, were thrown off by the fact that he is covered in English text, Arabic numerals, and what looked like a non-UAC logo. Why would an alien suit be covered in such things? EarthrealmsChampion argued that they were added after his suit was excavated. I didn’t think this made any sense because why would they label his suit with the logo of another company and serial numbers on top of it? Well, I realized there was a simple way to test this: I started a new game and checked every object in the opening area, where he first comes out of the sarcophagus. And… it IS a UAC logo. Apparently, the UAC’s full name is “Union Aerospace Logistics Manufacture”, or alternately UAC or simply I/O Logistics Manufacture - they’re alternate names for the same company. So they must have been added after the fact, not before excavation. Thus there is no strong connection between this game and the original series, but… there is a very loose (no, they’re not in the same universe) connection to Doom3’s backstory that might hint at who the people of Argent D’Nur really are, and show that this is something Id has been considering for a while, not something they made up at the last minute. The short version: The Doom Slayer is probably an ancient Martian warrior. Spoilers obviously for people who have yet to go back and play Doom3 This is a Martian tablet from Doom3:That’s the great “Martian Hero” the one who saved the Martian people from eradication by using the Soul Cube. This is a parchment with a very similar image of the Doom Slayer in virtually the same armor: Of course, they are both based on the original Doom game cover art, but the point is that it’s showing the same basic concept for the character. Also note that the warrior in the background on the right has a visored helmet, not a medieval style helmet. Again, this does not mean that Doom3 and and Doom’16 share the same continuity, just that they share a character. In Doom3 the Doom Marine was just a backstory element, whereas in the second reboot, he is the protagonist. With that in mind, let’s see if it makes more sense of the new game. The following is another possible timeline, but with the references to the original games stripped out and information from the conceptually related Doom3 backstory used to fill some gaps. Prehistory In the first Age of Ascension: An advanced civilization of both human and alien origin (see notes below) is established on Mars tens of thousands, or perhaps over one hundred thousand years ago. They begin experimenting with higher dimensional travel, creating portals, or wormhole-like gateways to allow for instant travel between worlds. They unwittingly open a gateway to a netherworld, Hell, and their civilization is destroyed by Demonic forces. The Martian aliens sacrifice themselves to create the Soul Cube. The Guardian, perhaps an uplifted human, who will later become known as the Doom Slayer, uses the Soul Cube to defeat the Great Serpent (Satan), but his soul or body is trapped in Hell in a path of “perpetual torment” in the process. The remnants of the Martian civilization "ascend" to other worlds, one of them being Earth, where they inspired legends of gods and angels, and the other being Argent D’Nur, another, more distant planet and home of the Wraiths. (This is based on the conceptual background going back to Doom3 and the Doom’16 codex entries. Slayer’s Testament I mentions the first age, and a first battle, and that the Doom Slayer was burned by the “embers of Armageddon” and “tainted beyond ascension”. Wraiths I refers to the First Age of Ascension as being when Argent D’Nur was colonized. The Codex entry on the Hell Knights says they flanked the “Great Serpent” in the “First Age” before he was overthrown by the “Guardian”. The Soul Cube, while technically an Easter egg, can be found in Doom’16, and may be the weapon the Doom Slayer used to defeat the Great Serpent and the forces of Hell. The "Seraphim" may refer to the original/native Martian race, as their face on the Soul Cube shows they are not human [they have four eyes]. Slayer's Testament III says the Seraphim "bestowed upon him terrible power and speed", so he may be an uplifted human of sorts.) The Second Age: The Martians colonize Argent D’Nur and Earth. On Argent, they encounter the Wraiths. The deify them and draw power from them, allowing them to stop Hell’s attempts at invasion once again. In Hell, the Doom Slayer goes on a genocidal campaign against the demons. He destroys the Baalgar demon, the Titan, on the Great Steppe and routes their forces. (The colonization of Earth, which is touched on in Doom3, explains the similarity to Earth culture, language, and armor. The Doom’16 Codex also touches on the similarity of Argent architecture to that of some Earth cultures. While the Doom Slayer is not a normal human, he is clearly human, perhaps a member of a race of superhumans originally uplifted by the Martians. The remnants of their civilization colonized another world, Argent, and some returned to Earth.) The Third Age: Demon priest Deag Grav deceives a Night Sentinel grieving over the loss of his son. The “heathen” sentinel allows Deag to overthrow the Wraiths, turning them into The Well. In repayment for his treachery, the night sentinel’s son is turned into the Icon of Sin and is used as a weapon against the Sentinels. Argent D’Nur is eventually conquered and assimilated into Hell. In an act of vengeance, the Betrayer, known by the demons as a heretical wretch, forges new armor for the Doom Slayer, rendering him even more powerful than before. Fearing he would remain unstoppable, the Demon Priests laid a trap for the Doom Slayer, bringing the Blood Keep down onto him, removing his armor, and sealing him inside a stone sarcophagus. (The Demons refer to the Sentinels as “wretches” and “heathens/heretics” in two different entries, so it makes sense that the “wretch” that forged his armor would be a fallen Sentinel) The Fourth Age: Humanity opens up a new portal to Mars, ushering in a new era for the forces of Hell and their new leader, the Aranea Imperatrix.
  19. SimKoning

    Making Sense of the Doom2016 Backstory

    Believe it or not, this is not me taking this stuff all seriously. If I were, I would be discussing things like the feasibility of terraforming Mars, wormhole travel and parallel universes etc.. This is me trying to make sense out of what was actually an incomplete writing job due to deadlines and a realization that plot is a secondary concern. That being said, they hired a Codex writer for reason. They know fans want *something*. Regarding the Soul Cube, it should probably be viewed as an Easter egg. The Icon of Sin however is mentioned in the Codex more than once, so it's part of the backstory. BTW, I went back and added the details that Janus3003 noticed I missed.
  20. SimKoning

    Making Sense of the Doom2016 Backstory

    I missed that detail in the Codex entry! It's from the one about the Hell Knights. It also mentions the "Guardian", which I assume was a Sentinel. The Great Serpent is obviously a reference to Satan. Looks like I'll need to make another revision. *Edit* I guess it doesn't change much except I got the ages wrong. If it's to be consistent with what I wrote, the first age would be the original events, with the Great Serpent being another name for the Icon of Sin and the Guardian being the Doom Marine.
  21. SimKoning

    Making Sense of the Doom2016 Backstory

    @Goatlord: I agree regarding Doom3. Doom II is definitely a direct continuation of the original however, with "Thy Flesh Consumed" bridging the gap between the two. For example, the first map of Thy Flesh Consumed shows Demons teleporting en masse to Earth along with you (making the first map insanely difficult). "Inferno" also ends describing the invasion of Earth. "No Rest for the Living" is more of a side story directly following the events of Doom II. The Final Doom episodes are ambiguous as to who the protagonist is. Doom64 is a direct sequel to Doom II: "Your fatigue was enormous, the price for encountering pure evil. Hell was a place no mortal was meant to experience. Stupid military doctors: their tests and treatments, were of little help. In the end, what did it matter - it was all classified and sealed. The nightmares continued. Demons, so many Demons; relentless, pouring through. Far Away... The planetary policy was clear. An absolute quarantine was guaranteed by apocalyptic levels of radiation. The empty dark corridors stand motionless, abandoned. The installations sealed. The Present... A long forgotten relay satellite barely executing, decayed by years of bombarding neutrons, activates and sends its final message to Earth. The satellites message was horrific, from the planetary void there came energy signatures unlike anything sampled before. The classified archives are opened. The military episodes code named "DOOM" were not actually completed. A single entity with vast rejuvenation powers, masked by the extreme radiation levels, escaped detection. In its crippled state, it systematically altered decaying dead carnage back into corrupted living tissue. The mutations are devastating. The Demons have returned even stronger and more vicious than before. As the only experienced survivor of the DOOM episode, your commission is re-activated. Your assignment is clear: MERCILESS EXTERMINATION." And this was the ending: To be clear, I recognize that this is all fun schlock. Part of the reason this was so fun for me was because I usually read and write hard science fiction, and this is a fun break from that. I'm also having fun re-reading all of the old Doom manuals and playing through the old games (with the Brutal and music mods). I was only able to rent them as a teenager, and I missed out on Doom64 and Final Doom.
  22. SimKoning

    Making Sense of the Doom2016 Backstory

    @Goatlord: From a basic story writing standpoint I agree with you. That's pretty much what Doom3 did, but it looks like they wanted to take a different approach this time around. I think you're also touching on why fans, including myself, are receptive to the idea of him being the same character from the original Doom series - he is more relatable that way. This also gives him an arch of sorts. @Touchdown: That much is obvious just from reading it; it's so over the top and sometimes funny. It's hard to keep a straight face while reading the original manual stories as well. I think they were obviously playing with the idea of him being the original Doomguy, but didn't want to commit to that just yet. This is evident with the codex entry that basically admits "We don't know if he's a god, demon, or human... we'll figure it out, later... maybe." I lined the Doom3 timeline up with Doom 2016, and there are just too many massive contradictions. For example, Mars is terraformed in Doom 2016 while it's not in Doom 3 despite both taking place in the 2140's. The tone of the two continuities is very different as well, with Doom 2016 being closer to the original series. While the monster designs are similar in some cases, they're very different in others. @RightField: Thanks, it was a lot of fun to figure out. ---------------------- BTW - I forgot an important detail: Wraiths III refers to the Sentinel who betrayed his order as the "wretched Betrayer". The being who gave the Doom Slayer his armor is referred to as a heretic and a wretch. This, combined with the Argent D'Nur Codex entry referring to the Sentinels as "wretches and heathens" strongly implies that his armor came from a Night Sentinel, not a demon, likely the "Wretched Betrayer" who was trapped in Hell at the time. This certainly makes sense given the Night Sentinels are shown in magical power armor. The OP was edited to include this info
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