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Maybe a controversial opinion, but anyway: Don't make MAP01/E1M1 too easy. I like it when it's slightly below the average difficulty of the set, just like in Plutonia, and when it really shows what you have to expect in later levels. It's a showcase and should not necessarily be beginner friendly if the rest of your mapset is not. I have often quit mapsets because MAP01 and MAP02 were boring, only to retake them later and realizing they weren't that bad. For example, I loved Ancient Aliens' cyberdemon in the first map, even if you don't have to fight it. Kama Sutra, Three's a Crowd and Adonis also have very good MAP01's. You can introduce breather maps later, then they're more necessary as otherwise players will become exhausted, above all in wads with more than 20 levels. For me it's also perfectly ok if you introduce breathers in the last stretch of the mapset, although then it's a good idea to offer something special, like a special kind of gameplay, puzzles, or a great atmosphere. That's just my 2 cents as a player who does map sometimes but isn't experienced at all.

For me, for example Urania did surpass it, because of its combination of difficulty with big maps and puzzles. Eternal Doom's maps are big but not that huge, most of them are not bigger than Doom2's Refueling Base, for example, and most (except some of the final stretch from 20 on) are also quite easy combat-wise. It has more difficult puzzles though which will "stretch" playtime of course, above all in maps like 20, 26, 31 and of course 30. Everything depends a bit on what the OP is searching for: playtime or simply size. :) To the Community Chest suggestions I would add the original Community Chest, above all for MAP29 (one of the biggest maps I ever played) but also for example for Use3D's and Sphagne's contributions.

Darkwave0000's maps in Speed of Doom. They have lot of stuff (up to almost 3000 monsters) but are quite spacious, so if you don't mind moving around a bit they're not difficult. Joshy's maps in the same mapset are another story and much meaner, although they're also not super-hard.

Interesting project. Could fail miserably, but could also go into interesting directions. Let's see :) (saying this as a Plutonia fanboi) If there is lack with MIDIs till the end of the year I can probably contribute some (perhaps up to 3-4). (For vanilla maps I'm too inexperienced and also probably too busy in the next months, have to finish my beta myfirstmap first ;) ). In general though I don't know if it's the best strategy to let people claim specific MIDI slots before they know the maps (with the exceptions of mappers composing the MIDI for their map). Perhaps it's best to simply distribute 32 slots and then select the MIDIs to match the atmosphere of the maps. (I don't know which are the best practices in such quite open CPs however).

Eviternity is from late 2018, so the 2019 "slot" is also still "free" ;-) I would nominate Lost Civilization for 2019. For 2020, Three's a Crowd. Both were Cacoward winners and exceptional wads with unique ideas. Heartland got much attention in 2021, I've still not played it but it would be an obvious candidate. Idem MyHouse 2023. A "slot" I personally can't give any specific nomination still would be 2022. Edited: 2022's nomination could go to NERF.

I very much agree with what Xaser wrote, old maps should not be generally evaluated on a "different scale" than modern content. There are definitely examples of good maps from the 90s/early 00s which still would be considered good today, which had fun, varied gameplay, or also good detailing. I've still not played STRAIN but in Requiem, Capellans "Rats in the walls" comes into my mind (which also was liked by MtPain27), or "The Devil's Coterie" from MM2 from the same author. Or "Resistance is Futile" from HR, AV's "Hillside Siege" or "Monster Mansion" from Eternal Doom (the latter only if you like puzzles). Only that filling a whole megawad with such good maps was a challenge in these years I think, partly to the still not-so-well-developed tool set. In my case also nostalgia only plays a minor role, because my Doom journey really started only about 2015 and the wad I'm most nostalgic about is probably Sunlust ... Little PS: For people interested in 90s stuff I would recommend not to start with Memento Mori (1). It's simply a wad specifically made for coop play, and while almost all maps are maxable in single player, you sometimes have to do weird stuff for that (e.g. not using a certain teleporter or cross a certain door until you clear another section ...). Memento Mori 2, Hell Revealed, Icarus and even Requiem are imo better candidates, in addition to Eternal Doom (imo the best 90s megawad) but only in the case you like adventure/puzzle gameplay.

Just for fun I played "Den of the Skull" (the map MtPain27 considers the worst) again, and yeah, it's quite a bad map. Some of the gimmicks are interesting (I somewhat liked the idea of the fight with the AV from the water pool, but at that moment you already probably have a BFG so it's very short) but most are simply "what?" material :). And it's an extreme example of the "room after room" approach where the different areas have almost nothing in common and aren't interconnected at all. In general I agree somewhat with MtPain27's review, Requiem is a very uneven wad, and I remember when I first played it I was a bit disappointed because despite of so many technical tricks it falls short of the better stuff from that era like MM2, Eternal Doom and even HR. But just two cents about the question "why people like 90s wads": For me it's the wild experimentalism many of these wads (let's say until the mid-2000s) show. Some of the Requiem maps definitely deliver in that point, as did the first Community Chests and the Memento Moris. Of course many of these experiments fail, see Den of the Skull or several Memento Mori (1) maps. But in general many of these maps are unpredictable and have also a wide variety of combat scenarios, even if some of them (shotgunning barons haha) don't match exactly the definition of "good combat".

I like it when the fights make me use features of the terrain (cover, barriers to impede you to simply circlestrafe, height differences, space restrictions) to win it and give you some room to explore how you can beat it. An example is the first big fight of Plutonia MAP10, when you cross the first barrier and monsters attack you from all sides (including the starting area) with different attacks. It is also easy enough to tackle it aggressively without too high skills but not totally trivial. Or also MSCP MAP06, or Adonis MAP01/Map05. I also like in general crowd management fights, but these are mostly part of slaughter-y gameplay. Another concept I very much like is high-density, chaotic incidental combat, where enemies are steadily appearing "randomly" from nowhere (UDINO E2M5, Urania MAP06).

Try UV Max. Current record is ~7 minutes (I think). So perhaps you missed a couple of shotgunners in a bathroom or so, they can be easy to overlook ... :)

Thanks. I'd have liked to experience also a bit of the combat, but this could be an idea to try, to play it as a "pure puzzle/horror map". It's strange though what Devalous wrote, as I experienced exactly the contrary, the map got progressively slower. Perhaps I did something I should't have done and a script "hangs" now? (Never mapped for (G)ZDoom so I've no idea if this is possible...) Anyway nevermind, I'll at least start again completely fresh, as with most puzzles solved it shouldn't take too long ...

I have a technical question. I wasn't able to finish the wad (i.e. get "the best ending") due to a sudden FPS drop to unplayable levels in the late stages, just when combat begins to ramp up and an archvile is pursuing you from a fireplace (most will know the place, I think). I'm playing on weak hardware without dedicated graphic card, but can something be done about that? Have already reduced resolution to the minimum, even reducing window size to 1/4 of my screen, and applied some settings which were recommended in another thread for best performance. It got slightly better but still is unplayable. My theory is that in this place of the wad a lot of monsters (thinkers) are activated and are ruining the performance. Am I correct here? In vanilla wads in similar situations I could mitigate that problem playing with another complevel but that is obviously not an option here. I really liked the wad but continuing this way is zero fun :( The first half of the wad (up to the 2 first endings) ran smooth, it's from the "colourful" sections on (airport and later) it got slower, and from the fireplace on it drops really sharply again. (I've not read the whole thread, didn't want too many hints haha. Of course if this problem was already reported and solved just point me to the page/link).

Finally, my E4 comments (RC2, UV, pistol starts, saves). Didn't play the modified E4M7. Overall I loved UDINO. It delivers where already D2INO was good: Concept-heavy maps with fun and sometimes experimental/unconventional gameplay and in general very good visuals. Much less buggy and better crafted in general as its predecessor, the ~10 years (?) of difference are notable, even if some maps may be originally older. A major achievement is that in most maps I didn't miss the Doom 2 foes, the limited enemy roster was very well used in general. Maybe I missed the archvile :) General rating 9/10 with potential for 10/10 if some small annoyances are fixed. Cacoward material! Favorites were the mysterious computer station E1M7, E1M8, a demonstration of strength of the Baron, E3M8 with a creative final boss battle, E4M4 with pure fun, and E4M5 with again a really cool concept. E4M8, E1M6, E2M9 and E3M6 are excellent runners-up.

@cannonball For me, the E3M7 berserk section only worked with a quite precise (SR40) straferun. That's still ok for me, but the block at the start gets in the way if its intended in this form, and the curve at the end requires more precision I would expect in such a section, at least if it's intended to be "quite easy" like you wrote (as the dark pit seems to be inescapable and you're inmediately attacked by a cybie once you've passed). I've even thought about if the "Limbo" concept including a bit of "sadism", and then it would be ok again, but then I'd appreciate a teleporter for the case if you stumble again into this section when secret hunting ;) (No need to apologize though, the map is cool anyway).

Comments on E3 (UV, pistol starts, with saves, RC2):

Interesting how different tastes are, but that's fine :) I'm in the E2M4 supporter camp. It's a very simple track so I totally get the "toddler music" association, but just the dissonances make it interesting. In contrast, I'm not so fond of Hiding the Secrets, it may be the least favourite in Doom so I agree with OP here, although I don't really "hate" it. The intermission music itself is also not among my favourites, but I like the Deja-Vu-type effect it generates. My least favourite in Doom 2 is The Healer Stalks. I'm all for Latin/Cuban influenced music but this one for me is simply boring. From all IWADs, my least favourite however is TNT's AimShootKill. I even think if Habitat had a less simplistic track it wouldn't be hated that much. TNT however has also my favourite IWAD midi: Into the Beast's Belly.

If it's viable, I like to try a map pacifist :)

Played the first two episodes. Really liked it! Maybe Cacoward material for me :) Micro-review of the individual maps (Edit: I should add that I played on UV, pistol starts with saves): E1: E2:

The Top 100 WADs of all Time (1994-2003) + Cacowards (2004+) That should be the two most "canonical" lists. On this link, you see both. However, while there are many megawads most are smaller mapsets. Edit: In addition, there's this forum thread: To add a bit of context: From the first ranks, and those you didn't already play, the following are vanilla (gameplay-wise) or close to it: - Ancient Aliens (2 monsters changed, one of them being the SS Nazi) - Going Down (has only a slightly changed boss) - Hell Revealed - Speed of Doom - Sunder (quite difficult, particularly new maps from MAP15 on) - Eternal Doom - Hell Revealed 2 - Resurgence - Kama Sutra - Requiem - Hellbound - JPCP - Community Chest 4 A bit more modifications (several changed monsters, etc.): - Eviternity - still quite close to Vanilla, a few new monsters - Valiant - several changed monsters - Struggle My personal favorites from these classics are Going Down, Valiant and Eternal Doom, followed by JPCP and perhaps Sunder.

I would even go further: If you don't FDA a map without deaths, you haven't beaten it. Thus, you have only one chance in your life :) More seriously: If you take the word "beat" and interpret it like "a major achievement a Doom player can strive to reach" with respect to a map, then I don't think the opinion is that unpopular. At least for me, I feel much more satisfied when I beat a map without saves as it's certainly more difficult (at least in larger maps), and in some maps I like and haven't reached this goal in my first tries (even harder ones) I try to reach it eventually practicing it :)

Seconding Lost Civilization, while not all are really "city" maps most are open and sandbox'ey. Regarding real city maps I like MAP05 (according to the map title a "village", but larger than most IWAD city maps) and MAP12 most, and of course MAP20, although it's a mix of city, techbase, fort and whatever. :) Also one of my favourites is Eternal Doom's MAP26 ("No Parking"), with lots of cute puzzles and quite good combat, above all near the start, but there are traps everywhere.

As I played it recently and thus remember it well, Lost Civilization was one of these, with maps ranking from "good" to "absolutely awesome". There are many who consider maps 15 to 17 to be weaker, but I enjoyed them too, "Fort" was only a bit short. Another one I really looked forward for every single map is Three's a Crowd (but I don't remember it so well, so I may forget one or two maps I didn't like so much). Eternal Doom, Valiant, Alien Vendetta, Eviternity, the BTSXes, Scythe 2, Urania, Down the Drain (love to see it mentioned here :) ) and Sunlust for me are in the "I like almost all" category, but they have some maps I consider clearly weaker.

Yep, very liberally translated :)

Doom 2 in Name only. I think I'm one of only a few who love that wad ... It's not perfect but has a couple of very strong locations, and partly also good combat :) Also, Magikal maps (love their general crazyness and dickishness) and the first two Community Chests.

These are my favorites: 1) Necromancer (by far!) 2) Flesh Worm 3) Trilobite 4) Assault Tripod 5) Combat Slug 6) New Matribite Most of the rest (Serpentipede, nobles ...) is quite good too. I don't like the zombies that much (the shotgunner is ok though), and the big technospider could get a bit more polishing, it looks more like a tank. And I don't like the revenant (dark soldier?) at all, it's too difficult to spot in many situations.

A good "oldie" with (partly) unconventional and not too hard gameplay is Eternal Doom (not to be confused with Doom Eternal!). It's a mix of futuristic and medieval maps, with lots of mysteries and puzzles, some a little bit similar to MyHouse's style, but more abstract, with less lore and horror elements. It has even a MyHouse-styled map: MAP31 Monster Mansion (of course not a clone of the 2023 wad, but the MyHouse style was a very popular map theme in the 90s) which has even some architectonic similarities to the brutalist part of MyHouse and lots of Doomcute and very nice and unconventional puzzles and interactive elements. Of course also Grove by BPRD has to be mentioned, another old but unconventional adventure-style wad, MyHouse made me remember this one a bit, even if I never finished it :( A bit harder (but easy on HNTR) but also really cool is Finely Crafted Fetish Film, one of my favourites, with a mix of unconventional combat-oriented and puzzle maps. The last map is ... a thing :) Last year I started a thread about really unconventional Doom maps/wads, some are a lot of fun!