Jump to content
Search In
  • More options...
Find results that contain...
Find results in...

BenDover

Members
  • Content count

    13
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Everything posted by BenDover

  1. BenDover

    Gun control

    Yes. That is the beauty in the ambiguity of the word 'arms'. Wisdom just shy of 'God-like'.
  2. BenDover

    Gun control

    Okay... I have followed along here and this thread seems to be more about nationalism than socio-politics. As an American I do not have the tradition or legacy of an indiginous people. But I don't have the baggage either. I do not believe that the concept of democracy can work for every nation. It doesn't work really all that great for us. But at least each individual has a means to make their voice heard. I am an American. As an American I can start a business from my living room. I can attend any university with financial assistance. I can work any sort of job to gain life experience. I can walk down streets in relative freedom from fear. I can live in a variety of climates and experience many cultures while also keeping a common identity with those around me. I do not believe that America is perfect. I do not believe that we should be the world's police department. I do not believe that we are puritan in our international policy. I do not believe that we should involve ourselves in every international issue that comes around. But I do understand issues as a person raised in 'the melting pot'. I have studied the effects of language and communications through the years. I believe that differences in communication are the root of nearly all human conflict. Having been adopted as the 'international tongue', English has facilitated a tremendous level of 'social grafting' in the United States. While being a source of internal strife, this 'cross culturization' has provided a greater level of strength and awareness to this nation. The net result of this is that while I may not agree with your position, your opinion, your politics, or your lifestyle, I am probably better equipped and more open to understanding it than say, a Totsi tribesman. Not all Americans are fat hillbilly 'bubbas'.
  3. BenDover

    Gun control

    For the record, I have not bashed non-Americans either. I have many international friends and business associates. However, I do have a hard time with foreigners who bash America for trying to hold to some ideological truths that are rooted in history. Namely, the right to keep and bear arms. How tough would it have been for Hitler to sweep across the European mainland if there were more armed citizens. How tough would it have been for Russia to sweep across Eastern Europe and the Ukraine if the people would have been better armed? Extremism in any form is wrong. Anti or pro. However, it is the fear of mutually assured destruction that keeps the balance.
  4. BenDover

    Gun control

    What if I do happen to play Doom? Maybe not as much as I play Unreal these days but I am indeed a Doomer. You guys have got to understand some things: 1. Gun owners come from ALL walks of life and live all over the USA. They are not just white, redneck, hillbilly truck driver southerners who hate everybody different than themselves. Most hi-powered rifle shooter/owners are middle-upper incomes (because it is a very expensive hobby). 2. History shows that the disarming of a populace is the first step towards a totalitarian regieme. 3. Statistically, gun control does nothing to prevent crime. In fact, the reverse is true since criminals know that an unarmed area is easy pickings. 4. Gun owners are passionate about their pastime and will actively argue/fight/lobby/petition to preserve their interests. There are several multi-million member political organizations dedicated to the cause (NRA, RKBA, etc...) This is necessary to provide balance and preserve the rights guaranteed to us by the US Constitution. I bought a rifle for my 6 year-old nephew for Christmas with full endorsement from his daddy. We are actively raising a new generation of youth who understand what freedom means, what it cost to achieve, what it costs to keep, and what it means to their generation. The liberal media and the baby boomer generation has done more to destroy culture, destroy individual rights, and destroy the freedom of thought and expression than any other generation in history. All you international members who don't like the USA, its politics, or its position, well... you have the baby boomers to thank for that. THey are the ones who have been whining and crying since Vietnam. They are now the ones in power and running things. GenerationX is biding their time and will be making changes in short order as soon as we ship some of these old farts off to the retirement homes... It's kind of hard though when you have people like Strom Thurmond in office at 97 years old. Time will tell.
  5. BenDover

    Gun control

    Blah blah blah... sounds like it's time to call the homies at C.A.N.G. for an internet driveby
  6. BenDover

    Gun control

    I am still waiting... and waiting.....
  7. BenDover

    Communism

    Oh brother. What a bunch of nonsense. All other comments aside, 'perfect' is subjective. What you may think to be perfect may be perfectly AWFUL to me. You have no right to push YOUR idea of perfection off onto ME or ANYONE ELSE! From a philosophical point of view, some of us are more Taoist in our perspectives. Some more Machevellian. A philosophy is just that. Another subjective ideology that will never be accepted by all people. Some of us recognize that human nature is and always will be human nature and the best we can ever hope for is what we already have. Dreams are for dreamers. Life happens around us in the real plane of existence. If it don't pay my rent, then I couldn't give a hoot.
  8. BenDover

    Gun control

    I am still waiting...
  9. BenDover

    Communism

    Have any of you actually read the Communist Manifesto or any of Chairman Mao's work? Mao himself wrote that communism was not the final solution, but was a way for an underdeveloped nation to pull itself into the modern era without assistance from outside nations. Self-reliance was the key... as long as your people buy into the vision and don't mind having their individual freedoms mitigted. However, once a level of development is achieved, even Mao recognized that it was not a permenant answer.
  10. BenDover

    Gun control

    Our pleasure.... I don't know why some of the guys troll sites like these, but nevertheless we are pretty activist about trying to educate the general public about safe gun ownership. We tend to raid Ms. Magazine site among others. The lesbians over there can't stand us. Some of our guys are pretty wicked conservative and even I get worried about them. But, surprisingly most of them are yuppies or retired vets who really enjoy target shooting for a hobby. I am a GenX programmer and tend to enjoy getting some gun oil on my hands after a long week of coding. It's a release that no joystick could ever give me. No we are not all a bunch of conspiracy Christian militia goofs either. We have dubbed those guys 'tinfoil hats'. They get rightsized pretty quick over there. Heck, we even had a thread get locked this past week because some guy was advocating shooting cats. UGH! If any of you guys here on the Doom board are interested in shooting come on over. AR15.com is a great place to learn about the worlds greatest firearm ever produced and the zany crew is actually quite amusing.
  11. BenDover

    Gun control

    That is your problem. Umm... it says it right where it says 'people' in the 'right of the people to keep and bear Arms' part. PEOPLE. Oh yeah... much of today's debate regarding the individual's right to keep and bear arms, has been shrouded by misapplying various interpretations of the militia clause of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. The proponents of gun control insist that the second amendment only apply to an organized militia such as the National Guard. However they overlook the fact the National Guard in times of national crises, comes under direct control of the Federal Government. The Guard works in concert with the regular Army in carrying out the Federal military mission. This was finally put to rest when in the 1980s, then Minnesota Governor Rudy Perpich sued the Federal Government over control of the National Guard. The State of Minnesota lost the case and the Federal Government won. The act of federalizing the National Guard is due to the law passed by Congress on January 21, 1903. It provides that the "..organized militia known as the National Guard of the state, Territory or District of Columbia.. " is under the command of the Nation's Chief Executive. Furthermore, all arms are controlled by and owned by the Federal Government. If indeed the National Guard can be placed under Federal Control, then who is the unorganized militia? This question is rooted in historical precedence with ample evidence provided by the ancients, and contemporary thinkers that we are. That is to say, all able-bodied men (and now perhaps women) between the ages of 17 and 45 who are capable of acting in defense of the country. This definition also exits in the current United States Code [10 U.S.C. 311 (a)] which states: "The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age, and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age . . . " The US Code further divides the militia into two classes: The organized, and the unorganized militia. The organized militia is viewed in the USC as the National Guard and Naval Militia, and the unorganized militia that consists of ".. all members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia." [10 U.S.C. 311 (c)] Advocates of gun control not only ignore the definition of militia as that of the citizen soldier, they also ignore that the final clause that uses the verbiage of the "..right of the people..", is the same application of the "the people as used in the First, Fourth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments. The application of the First Amendment applies to an individual's right to free speech. The Fourth Amendment secures the individual against unreasonable searches and seizures of property by the government. If the Second Amendment were to be construed as a collective right, then it logically follows that only corporations or collective bodies (such as political parties) would have a right to free speech, and would be free from unreasonable search and seizures. Yet these Amendments have repeatedly been interpreted to be individual rights due to the clause that refers to 'the people'. The people refer to the individuals that make up the general populace. A supreme court ruling finished your argument several years ago. People means people... you and me. I have read it... in great detail... HAVE YOU?!?!? That is not a logical argument against gun ownership. I have defended myself with a gun three times in my life against criminals who were armed. Once involved actually shooting someone and I was found well in my rights of self-defense as the perpetrator was armed with a sawed off shotgun attempting to rob my dad's jewelry store in broad daylight with customers in it. He regrettably died as a result of his injuries caused by my having unloaded a magazine into his chest. Was it a happy day? HELL NO. But I am here because I exercised my right to bear arms. I might be struck in the back of the head and killed by a falling meteor at any moment but my .45 saved mine and the other customer's lives that afternoon. I agree. But losing 5,000,000 men in a Japanese ground invasion wasn't much of a choice either.
  12. BenDover

    Gun control

    Listen Freddy... the only reason that Hitler did NOT invade your country was because every household had a military class firearm. Sure utopian fantasy of peaceful fields of daisys are nice, but it is a fantasy. There has always been a dark side to humanity and it will probably always exist. Until it doesn't, the only thing keeping evil at bay is equalization through armament. Stick to the fantasy games and leave real life to real men.
  13. BenDover

    Gun control

    Seriously... the only reason that you anti-gun people have the freedom to openly speak your opinion about ANYTHING is because we have a 2nd Amendment which so eloquently GUARANTEES the RIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL to BEAR ARMS!! Not billy clubs arms. Not pepper spray arms. ALL ARMS. Think about that the next time you start spewing off your liberal opinions to your buddies. You can do it without fear of retribution because enought PEOPLE have ARMS to keep this place FREE. You all need a history lesson.... no, you are too busy with your faces buried in a fantasy land video game while the real world is happening outside around you. Target shooting on the monitor doesn't count when they come calling at your door because you violated some free speech policy and want to put you in a re-education camp. Steel triggers are much different than plastic joysticks.
×