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I liked BLOOD2, even though I got stuck at one point and had to look it up. Hated BLSIDE, that map was whack in just about every way imaginable. BRUNDLE was...creative. I loved BOXING, was a lot of fun when playing it deatmatch with peeps.

BOOTCAM2... yeah, I played every map (though, I don't know if you consider clicking on a wall and exiting almost immediately "playing")

I thought BLSIDE was a cool, epic challenge, but I can see how it could be frustrating with all those gunners and drop-down lifts and stuff.  Just real unique design.

And FYI, Brundle is the name of Jeff Goldblum's character in The Fly..... GET IT??

Hehe, I do get it! It actually said that in the txt. file, right before I played it, and then one of my viewers mentioned how it looks just like a fly.

As for BLSIDE, it was just too weird. There were no keys, the exit was just in some random place... don't get me wrong, the design was unique, but it was frustrating and annoying.

I don't remember who it was (probably ChickenLord) but he said you totally called it with the whole Renaissance bit. ;)

And for real though, that was my thought pattern exactly. "Oh, this isn't so bad, this will be fun!"

And then Ambush comes along...

And dude, did you watch that episode?  About how to actually get the key in the baron death room?? You have to find a secret button to open the wall and get the cyberdemon infighting with them - I got munched a hundred times in that room before I worked that out, and I've watched you, Tarns, Paul and Deathstalker ALL try to run in, grab the key, and run out without getting surrounded.  I'm glad there's finally someone who explained what the deal is with this damn level.

Me too! For the life of me, that explains so much! Dang that confusing level!

Delta-8 THC? A vape pen?  Please.  Get some REAL skunk, man!!  Roll a big bomber joint, smoke out the whole room  :-)

Just kidding.  You did have kinda droopy eyes by the end of it, and you seemed to be startled by specters more than normal.  

But yeah dude, plowed through all the E1M1 remakes in one go!! (or at least the ones NAMED E1M1, you'll be seeing a crapton more in the future.)

And you finally beheld the Glory that is..... YAK WORLD.

I've actually already played a handful of them my friend. I ended with jax02.wad, so we'll be starting with jcm2-162.wad.

 

Ah yes that's right - you've also played the incredible JAWA series :-)

Yeah.... good times...

Yeah, he's basically the anti-you, when it comes to enjoying Max Doom.  

I never saw that button to raise up those final bars EVER when I was trying to finish this back in the day, even when noclipping around and staring at the automap.  And when I saw Paul's video and it stumped him too, I assumed that was it, the map was broken somehow.  

But I had to work it out today after your livestream, and (like it shows in Tarns' video) you have to press the skull switch in the red pentagram room to raise the bridge to the southern structure; press the skull switch halfway down the staircase; then (and this is the bastard part) go BACK to the first skull switch, which has raised an identical switch behind it, that you press then go BACK AGAIN down to the slime room with the caco and press THAT switch.  See, it's asshole-ish progression like that, that makes Maximum Doom such a frustrating obsession to me.  

And speaking of Tarns, I hadn't checked Twitch for a while, and it's great that he's representing Max Doom again as well.  See in the latest vid he talks about 'someone' recommending Nick.wad - hmmmmm, I wonder who?!

I think some of them were that he started playing for a while, forgot to turn on the stream, was like "there's no way I'm replaying that", and just didn't say anything about it.  Ol' Tarns wasn't very strict when playing through 'all' of Max Doom.  Wasn't really much of a 'completionist', in other words :-)

I just checked out the dm2paks in the wad archive, and holy hell it's a bunch of the old 'classic' Max Doom maps, many of which you've obviously played before and loads you will play again.  I must admit I deleted these wads from my folder early on in my Max Doom voyage, as I knew these were compilations and would be seeing these maps elsewhere (and I much prefer just going through a single-level wad, and going "there, finished" instead of slogging through a huge compilation, don't you?) - but I fear now that I may have missed a few hidden gems doing so.  Probably not, though :-)

And dude, I've missed you playing some pretty cool ones lately - the D2 'series' (D2BATTLE, D2CITY etc), I liked those.  The DANTE levels by John Anderson, which he said led to him being hired by ID software... DEPTHLAB, which I liked for some reason even though it objectively sucks... the DEATHSTAR one, which looked cool but was broken if I remember correctly... DIVIDE2 was cool, DM2GM1 and 2 were cool....

And I feel it's my duty to warn you of impending crap wads, sir.  DM2PRI3 sucks majorly.  DMSOF2 is up there with DARKGATE in terms of long levels with obscure progression.  And, this will be a bit later, but I gotta say it, FUCK DTEPIS32 for (among other things) it's paper-thin walls, which I think is the laziest kind of mapping ever, and one of the worst things to see in Maximum Doom.  (Level 7 especially is horrific.)  It's like the mapper didn't even bother with the pretense of realism, and it can feel like you're walking around a cheap carnival ghost maze with cardboard walls sometimes.  Okay, rant over.  

On the other hand, there's some wicked ones coming up.  DMANMLY2 is a cool techbase, DM2PSYCH is very cool looking but extremely difficult (watch out for that teleporter trap!!), DMBBATH2 has a cool concept, make levels that look like what the names of the first Doom levels would be (hangar, nuclear plant, toxin refinery etc), and DMHQ2 is epilepsy-inducing but huge and awesome.  And that's just off the top of my head.  

And finally, I must make you aware that you will be coming up on my personal favorite so-bad-it's-good wad, the mighty DMDV2.  Mark it on your calendar, sir.  If you liked NICK.WAD, you're gonna love this one.  THIS is what Maximum Doom is.  You may have to dedicate an entire episode to this one.  (Just kidding, it's hideous:-)

Thanks for the info mate! Sounds like I have a lot of... errr... interesting things coming my way!

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/The_Lost_Episodes_of_Doom

Yes, most of them actually.  Created by Christen Klie (who also did six of the Master Levels), there are various incarnations of maps in the lost levels (and don't ask me which ones, I couldn't be bothered checking every one out!!) that also appear in the various "chris" wads in the Doom 2 folder (CHRIS2, CHRIS2A, CHRISK12, CHRISK2, CHRISK22, CHRISPA2, CHRIS_E2) as well as possibly some more in the THUD! series, and of course more scattered randomly through various wadpacks and single-level wads.  I believe only Episode 3 of the Lost Episodes was created after Max Doom came out.  But don't quote me on that.  Actually, quote me on that, I don't care  

Nah man, the only Double Impact I know of is the old-school Van Damme movie.  It looks interesting, but it was made in 2011, and I still like plowing through 90's era wads and stuff

Lol, nevermind, I missed the free-falling bonus level. Loved the mod!

Holy hell, 67?!!?  I started watching that one, It's like five and a half hours man!! I wanna check your reaction to DTEPIS2 (or whatever it's called), I remember that one was hideous.  Hopefully I can catch the Dwango action - good luck!

Dtepis2 was.... not the worst thing I've ever played. xD

Good stuff, man!!! just letting you know... the rest of the 'J' section has quite a few crap ones coming up!!

I saw your comment on the last livestream. I'm really dreading the rest of the J maps now. Hopefully, we'll persevere.

Will be starting back on it as soon as I finish Blade of Agony.

No problem, it's just those 'JCM' wads that are nine maps each, once u get over that bump, the rest should be (relatively) smooth sailing 

Yeah man, I could only get a few levels in before losing interest.  Among the worst in Max Doom.

For a laugh, check out what some other people thought of it:

That's hilarious!

Also, I just finished playing them tonight. Map08 isn't actually completable. There is no exit.

It's wads like these that made me have to take a break from watching your stuff, man, I'm sorry but I got burned out - after you completed the castle12 level, and I realized it WASN'T broken, I once again got some serious hatred for this collection and had to stop thinking about it for a while.  You gotta understand, it took me over four years to get through as much of Max Doom as I did, which included me ragequitting it several times and vowing never to play it again (got close to simply deleting the whole thing off my computer).  Then a month or two later, I'd slowly get sucked back into it, and the cycle would begin again.  

Speaking of which, I just downloaded darkgate.wad and am currently trying to find out how that last level works.  (I'd deleted that wad in disgust years ago.)  Of course I'm playing in God mode with all weapons (because SCREW playing this one normally), and it's still an epic slog.  It looks like there is a certain sequence you have to do the areas, or you'll get locked out of the progression and have to restart (because the mapper is pure evil).  There IS an exit, but I don't know how to access it, so I'll just say the switch sequence is probably broken and it's impossible to complete this level without cheating.   In any case it's unfair as hell and I'm sick of all the hidden lifts and switches and the close-up baron fights.

Yeah, just had a quick look at the map, aw HELL no man

Ahhh great stuff man!!! No need to redo it, onward and upward!!!!

Except Map07. I'll still redo that one, since you pointed out how to do it properly.

TNT.

It's dynamite.

You bet your BFG I'm gonna watch the hell outta this.

Good luck sir Kesington

Cool, man!! I'm gonna watch it tonight!!

That ain't no quick question, man!

I try to block the crap ones out of my mind and remember the better ones, so I'll try to go off the top of my head.....

I won't count any remakes of IWAD levels, because you and I know that they are by far the worst offenders in Max Doom, and trying to pick the VERY worst one of those would be next to impossible.  And I won't count any DM-only maps because nah man.  Nah.

You've got those so-bad-it's-good levels, like DMDV2, NICK, SUBWAY11, MIC2, and one you just played on your last stream, HELLRAI2 (as terrible as it is, I must admit that this was the type of thing I wanted to encounter in Max Doom - yes, a level that starts you right in front of a cyberdemon.  YES.) 

And you got boring levels and broken levels which I hate, but the ones that stick out most to me are the maze maps, ones that just drop you into a ton of right-angled narrow corridors, the ones where you have to back up to the end to avoid every imp fireball; ones with little to no height variation or differences in lighting, NO landmarks of any kind, just right-left-right-left-right-left-right.  Hate them.  So ones like ZMAZE112 and LABYRIN2 are the worst of the worst for me.  And SORROW2.  Oh, and that bastard strobe-light maze part in THETEET2 where the whole ceiling comes down on you if you take a wrong turn.  

I think I'll stop here, because I'm getting PTSD flashbacks :-) (I'm kinda joking, but kinda not.)  Again I tried to push memories of the crap ones out of my mind. 

EDIT: You know what, that SEWERS.wad is one of the worst, simply because It's probably the most well known Max Doom map, as it was tacked onto the Xbox version of Doom and totally shouldn't have.  It was accessible from E1M1, dammit!

Have you checked out my Max Doom list?  I rant about quite a few crap wads I encountered throughout my experience, it's not ordered at all but maybe you'll find it good for a laugh - it's here

Have read it before, but I'll read it again!!

Oh, and here is the sequel.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/237970/Memento_Mori_2/

LOL.

That's like when you hear about a fan-made megawad from the nineties called Eternal Doom, but when you try to look it up you keep getting results for a completely different game

Awesome man, that's gonna be real useful for those co-op only exits, and will make those empty DM maps way more interesting!! Good stuff

Doom content is...

Endless

Whoa.  Whoa dude.  Well, I'm not ever again going to imply that going through the whole of Maximum Doom alphabetically might be a bit much for someone who only started playing Doom this year.  You, sir, are insane.  I like that.  

You might be happy to know (or not... I'm not sure how your mind works anymore:-) that a few on the list are on Maximum Doom - 

* Bf Thud! (& Chris_k.wad) - Thud! is a 3 episode series, and there's a lot of "chris" levels

* Cleimos 1

* Oracle - by Jim Flynn, author of about eight of the Master Levels, and around a dozen Max Doom ones - this is my pick for the best wad in Maximum Doom, hands down

* Raven series 

* The Final Gathering (gather2.wad) - Max Doom has four out of the five maps in this particular wad

* Galaxia

* Serenity - You've already played Episode 3 (Infinity) and Episode 2 (Eternity) is in the D2 folder, you'll only need Ep. 1 (Serenity)

* UCA - You've played the first one (Anguilla), as far as I know part 2 (Talpoida) is NOT in Max Doom, 3 and 4 are definitely on tho

* Dante's Gate

* Crossing Acheron

* Nightfall!!!!

* Doomsday of UAC (UAC_DEAD.wad, you've played this)

* Slaughter Until Death

* Return To Phobos

They're all the ones I can pick out of this list, there's maybe more - also, the Community Chest series has many oldschool maps from Max Doom, some of which have been changed/refined.  Also, did you know that one of the map authors of Doom The Way Id Did is none other than the mighty Tarnsman himself??

Well, good luck with all this, and you might as well change your channel to "Kes Doom Gaming", because this'll keep you going for a while.

And I'll see you.... at the top :-)

Thanks so much for the info! I will update the list and remove all this stuff that I have either played or will be playing in Maximum Doom. So glad I can always count on you for your help.

"You, sir, are insane.  I like that.  

You might be happy to know (or not... I'm not sure how your mind works anymore:-)"

Yeah me neither. For the record though, I'm happy about this.

"Also, did you know that one of the map authors of Doom The Way Id Did is none other than the mighty Tarnsman himself??"

That is so awesome!!!

"Well, good luck with all this, and you might as well change your channel to "Kes Doom Gaming", because this'll keep you going for a while."

Hehe, I probably should. xD

"And I'll see you.... at the top :-)"

*Sniff... I think I'm going to cry.... 😥

14 months?? Try four YEARS, dude

I would say that's an epic burn, but looking at the sun will do that to you

You may laugh now, but just wait 'til Stevie Wonder comes over to your house and kicks your ass

oh no maximum doom is making him insane

Hey Maximum, since you're pretty much the ''one-to-look-for'' when regarding Maximum Doom, what's the best way to play all these WADs? Is there any guide, order, or a WAD pack with all the levels ? Thanks mate.

Hi Endless. I know you didn't address me personally, but I actually made a little video guide on this if it helps at all:

https://youtu.be/iD7Xalbgi-o

And as far as the order of play, personally I would recommend playing the wad packs in the Doom I and II folders first (usually named WADPACK or WADPAK with some numbers after).  These are good, 27-level compilations of the better maps, and will give you an idea of the level of quality.  

I would then change the listing in the Doom folders from alphabetical to file size, and then play from smallest file size to largest.  This way you can play through heaps and heaps of small levels and avoid burning out on it :-)

Congratulations once again sir!! I can't believe it only took you a month and twenty episodes to complete the Doom 1 part!!  I don't dare estimate how long you'll be doing the Doom II folder, I'll just say the best ones are way better, the worst ones are way worser, and you'll see a lot of the same levels!  It will be interesting, though, when you do some D2 conversions of levels you know - the way some enemies are switched up may infuriate you (especially when a cacodemon is swapped with a pain elemental!)

Just had a quick look at the list of levels, and off the top of my head, all the ones that start with an exclamation point are real frustrating (and you HAVE to check this Doom 2016 remake of the very first wad in the d2 folder - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFxcNOt7cVA - watch it after you play it), DWANGO is the first of a series of famous wadpacks, 02.wad is a remake of E3M6 from Doom I, 1012.wad is a very cool techbase and a favorite of mine, 11INHEL2 is crap and probably needs a second player to finish, 303SUX22 is so bad it's good, you've already played 6662 (so you'll probably notice some differences in enemy types), 9-TO-5 and 9-TO-52 (again, duplicates) is a cool castle structure, and ACHERON2 is a classic made by one of the Master Level mappers.  If you get that far in one episode, then you truly are the chosen one!!

Thanks for the info mate! Looking forward to it!!