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  1. Blackmantis

    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    Hi all! I've been continuing on something of a scavenger hunt to locate the original assetts used to produce DOOM art. Part of this effort has been in buying the original toys / chainsaws etc that were photographed for use as weapons, but I've also come upon something I think you'll all enjoy! Doom 1s SKY1 Doom 2s RSKY1 Doom 2s RSKY2 (Overlaid together by El_Zee) And here's the raw, uncompressed versions of each (or rather, in the best quality the cd offers as they all come in multiple file formats). While hunting around, I tracked down the media clip CD that the original SKY1 was taken from, and well, I also found some of the other original sky files were floating around on there. Figured you guys might enjoy seeing the original files from which the skies came from. More to come shortly! I have more of the cd-roms from the same family en-route as we speak so who knows what we'll find.
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    The REAL doom chaingun (Toy)

    I promised I'd post photos, so here they are. Also, anyone recognize this part on the side of the gun? Hint: I plan on taking some high quality shots with good lighting very soon (I really really promise this time), so hopefully you guys will have some epic sprites to use in your WADS of the real deal in high def :D
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    Real Doom Weapons/toys (with photos)

    I think that will be at the forefront of everyones thinking ;) Thanks for mentioning smoother animations - I'll make sure to get HEAPS of captures so we can make uber smooth shotgun pumps and chaingun rotations etc. Just cropping them is gonna take time.
  4. So I've been collecting the DOOM weapons (or rather, their real life counterparts which were photographed to be used in the game). If anyone wants some better photos for use in the game (ie to be converted into sprites), give me a shout and I'll set them up in the studio and get some proper quality shots with my better camera and optimal lighting. So far here's the tally I have; Mcculloch Eager Beaver 2.0 Chainsaw - Waiting for arrival. Will post photos. I found a non-working one on ebay, and am going to refinish and restore it. Kevin Clouds Hairy Arm and brass knuckles - I don't drive enough trucks to have a powerfully hairy arm like his. Beretta Water Pistol - Hard to track down, still looking. I have found the same mould used to develop it used in China for making other toy Berettas, so keeping my eyes open. Tootsietoy Dakota Shotgun - I have 3. One of them is still on its way: Chaingun - I have 2 on the way, waiting for arrival. Will post photos. Rocket Launcher - Not a clue what this is, anyone know what this was digitalized from? Rambo M60 Toy (Plasma Rifle) - I have two. One in grey, and another with tan which is on the way: Technically, you can shoot sticky darts with this thing. If you pull the ribbed area (tan colour in the game) forward from the first person perspective, it stays back and snaps forward when the trigger is pressed. Funnily enough, on the full toy gun, this actually goes the other way around, with the plasma-rifle muzzle being a part of the gun, and the barrel being where the doomguys chest would be. 1980s Transforming Toy BFG 9000 - I have no idea what this is yet, anyone figured it out? I've left Romero a message as I want to complete the collection. The only thing I'm not sure of as well is the Super Shotgun, but I have a feeling it could simply be based on photos of the Tootsietoy Dakota. For a bit more history; I actually bought 3 "dakotas", all of them slightly different. One is a regular Tootsietoy Dakota from the 1990s, another is slightly more recent, from the 2000s (or possibly old stock) which was brand new, and has a fancy pattern on the side, and the third one is on its way in the mail. The original Dakota was broken, so I had to repair it. As far as cap guns go, this has been one of the coolest. You feed a roll of caps into a small magazine that inserts into the bottom of the gun, and rack the pump. Once the pump is racked, it cocks the gun and allows you to fire (or dry fire, which is equally loud, you don't even need caps). Once you pump it after firing, it cuts the roll and ejects the spent part of the cap roll. Pretty neat! Wish they made toy guns like this still. Stock and pump removed. Basically the pump would not retract fully, and the gun wouldn't cock, however the trigger still worked fine. Internal mechanism. Basically the copper/brass strip that acts partially as a tension mechanism was not sitting correctly. It took some doing but I managed to get it to fit properly. I also found that the pump, once pulled back, would not go forward on its own like the new Dakota, so I fixed that with a simple elastic band. A piece of history restored, good as new. I've also made efforts to preserve these in 3d, true to their real-life dimensions. Both are still a WIP, and the shotgun has a larger ejection port so it can be used in games et cetera. I've had to do a lot of improvisation on the Plasma Rifle since there is very little detail in the world sprite, but I'll get there eventually. I hope to do the same with the chainsaw and other weapons when I get them.
  5. Blackmantis

    Real Doom Weapons/toys (with photos)

    You never know - he may have had a low IQ, but there are people with congitive and mental disorders out there that can also remember pi to 484 decimal places. Magic ;) But in actuality, it's all out there online. I guess if you search hard enough, you'll find the info you want online. I've trawled through ancient 90s Chatroom/IM/Newsgroup logs, interviews, all sorts, and you find little bits at a time. Sorry about that, been trying to keep my imgur gallery clean and simple so I can find what I need, and at the moment it's choked up with random doom stuff. However, once I get some really nice high quality pictures, I'll stick them in an album and leave them up for good.
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    Well, if the images are royalty free, then I'll just have to make my own "product" which uses these images and distribute that. I'll call it "Doom sky distributor" or something. ;) Thanks for the advice though, I'll check around. Two of the cds are already on Archive.org, although all ultimately come from Aris Entertainments "Media Clips" collection.
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    Since I've been searching very deeply for these, I figure I might divulge some interesting tidbits; I could be wrong, being a tiny kid back in 1992-1993, but it -seems- that going through ancient FTP directories and places like archive.org cds, cd.textfiles, etc, that there wasn't really a huge amount of images on the net. If I search for say, images of space from that era, there's maybe 4-5 instances of RSKY2s source file (columbia) that will constantly show up on hundreds of random sources, from archives to disks. The exact one used shows up multiple times under multiple names, from multiple areas and disks. The same goes for searching for stuff like mountains, a lot of the doom photos pop up, usually on antiquated christian sites with badly compressed versions of the images and bible quotes on them. So I think back then, it was probably not terribly hard to find things like this sky, at least in the early to mid 90s. These GIFs were often used on sites, distributed around the web, and due to the relatively small amount of common photos floating around like this at the time, it was probably a lot easier to track down. They're also found on almost all "101 Royalty free images" and stock image cds from the time. I've uploaded the source files for SKY2 below in the best quality I can find on the discs. It looks like 640x480 was the largest they were ever kept at, but I might see if I can track down the original photographers if I can. Tom Atwood did the well known Yangshuo sky, and OS/2 had a higher resolution version but it had reduced color volume and was a GIF. Fore/Mountains BG/sky I also hope to find the source of a sky I saw in "MARKINC".wad. I don't remember how, when or where I got it (except vaguely that it was possibly called something like "Mortal Kombat doom" or something random), but it had a gorgeous sky in it;
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    The filename reads TRACKS.TIF but it came from a series of "TRACKS" images which all appear to be darkish beach dunes and sand. I'm game to take a trip to China someday to check out the Yangshuo mountains in Guilin. I have no idea where "Yangshuo Cavern" is, nor can I find where it is on google, but if I can find where SKY1 was taken, I'll make the trek and get some quality photos.
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    Found 'em! :D Also you'll have to look close for the next two; check the bottom left, and the bottom middle areas; I think it would be safe to say that we now pretty much have all of the photo textures that ID used that weren't taken by themselves. Since the images are royalty free, I'm thinking I'll upload the entire CD set.
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    I think we've found the pistol, a brightly coloured water pistol very heavily resembling a beretta made in 1987 to 1994. Also found the tech wall texture, it's a Gravis Ultrasound Classic card. This was relatively easy to find - I did an analysis of all the common high-end hardware of the era covering from Feb 1 1991 (When ID was founded) to 1993. Clearly with the money they had, the ID guys would be sporting some serious hardware for the time. I have no idea what GUS' were like for their time though. Enjoy!
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    Found the noise layer for RSKY3 So we have INTERPIC, the fire, noise layer, all we need is the mountains and we can recreate RSKY3 from scratch in (hopefully) much better clarity and high-resolution.
  12. Blackmantis

    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    I uploaded some files and added them to the article, since some of the articles were incorrect or out of date (ie previously stated that the chainsaw was a Mcculloch 2116. The chainsaw is in fact, a Mcculloch 2.0 Eager Beaver. Below: Original ID Software photo for comparison.
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    An update: I've purchased two toy pistols. I can't confirm at this stage, but they -might- be the doom pistol. From what I know about the doom pistol, it was based off a 1980s/early 1990s "water pistol" modeled after a beretta. As for my reasoning that it's a beretta; I have a beautiful Denix non-firing spanish zinc replica of a Beretta which I've carefully compared to the doom one, and minus the editing work done by the ID team to prep it for the game, I would say it's definitely a toy beretta. The same thing happened to the Tootsietoy Dakota - they may have used it for the shotgun, but the one in-game doesn't entirely or closely resemble the real deal with the edits made to it. I've picked up a late 1980s Entertech Water Beretta and an early 1990s Edison Giocattoli Beretta. I have a strong inkling that the Edison Giocattoli beretta is the correct one, despite it not being a water gun. Fingers crossed~
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    A simple thread rename sounds good. The rest of the Mediaclips CDs should be with me by Monday so I can probably get the rest done then. For now I'll scan through what I have and see if anything else was used.
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    Certainly! Original picture below. And comparison GIF. As before, it's only for the sky in the background of the image, rather than the mountains at the front. I'm still hunting the stalagmite sprites used for the mountains. Sorry for disappearing there - was up late to watch the launch of 3DR's "Bombshell", back again after a crazy long sleep and going to continue at it. I wonder if perhaps I should rename the thread or create another one which is basically just going to be updates as I go along and find all these texture sources.
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    Found the sky source for SKY3. The rocks are from another photo which I'm yet to find, but the sky is there.
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    I took a look, but it doesn't seem so. It could be my gut feeling, but the city shot may be be taken from an extremely long distance since the buildings all appear to be viewed from a pretty straight-on angle. I've got an inkling that the golden-mountain sky -may- be a photo of Yellowstone National Park due to the shape of some of the rocks. Checking into that now.
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    It looks to possibly be that way. The mountains of SKY3 are basically the mountains of SKY2 scaled down and with a detail layer on top. If I can find SKY2s photo, then we effectively find both Sky2 and Sky3s source. https://archive.org/download/The_Best_of_MediaClips_2.0.1_Aris_Entertainment_1994/The_Best_of_MediaClips_2.0.1_Aris_Entertainment_1994.iso
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    By heck, I think you're right. Also for anyone who's just tuning in and curious as to what the guns were photographed from; http://imgur.com/a/YDTXV
  20. Blackmantis

    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    So initially, I read up on a site way back when that the photo of SKY1 was on a cd called "Media Clips", and photographed by Tom Atwood. Given that the name of the jpeg that other people had discovered for SKY1 was called MAJESTIC2.jpg, I assumed it was on the Media Clips "Majestic Places" cd. I hunted around and found a digital ISO on archive.org of "Media Clips, best of" and fired it up. It contained 5 images from each of their Wild Places collection, Majestic Places collection and World view collection (as well as a few others). I am 99% certain that ID Software used Wild Places, Majestic Places and World View, but not the others as they're unusual/specific cd collections such as "Money of the world" etc and haven't generally much scenery. So I was browsing around and figured, logically, if ID Software had access to these, surely they'd use as much as they could find on the disc. The SKY1 photo showed up as expected under the MAJESTIC2 name, and so that was an easy find, but as I was going through others, I noticed in the sunset image "Wow, that would make a good skybox texture for doom" since it had nice clouds. Lo and behold, I cut/pasted it over RSKY1 and it immediately clicked that this was the rsky 1 texture - pure luck though. So with that, I started looking at each sky and trying to note patterns, shading etc, the RSKY2 one showed up fairly quickly since it looked like ground zero, and so the photo of the Columbia shuttle taking off was a good start. So a few months ago as you might've seen - John Romero posted a stack of unused DOOM dev textures. One of them was this; I took a look on the CD, and five seconds later... It seems ID have heavily used a lot of the royalty free photos for any photo-esque textures in the game. Obviously stuff like dirt patterns and rock faces are much much harder to track, but I'll keep looking. At the moment, I'm trying to source these; And as for the E4 sky - as it comes from the endgame image, I'd imagine it was painted rather than photographed, but I will keep my horribly blind eyes peeled regardless. Another of Romeros posts contained this, some kind of rock stalagnite[sic?] Which turned out to be the canyons in this; Also - that Pillar base is actually the Tootsietoy Ol' Painless Gatling gun! I think we're rapidly honing in on the original sources for the 5 un-found skybox textures above :D stay tuned. I know I've said this a thousand times and gotten distracted, but stay tuned for awesome real-life Tootsietoy Dakota photos, chaingun photos, plasma gun photos and Bfg photos. I just need to pull myself away from these old texture cds long enough to get photos of them~ These ones? If so, then not for long. I'll bet everyone here that I can find them within the next week ;)
  21. Blackmantis

    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    You're welcome, and stay tuned - More to come as I dig through these CDs :D Mark my words, I -will- find all sky texures, including the hell skies.
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    D:\TIFF\MAJEST3.TIF (Green SKY1 mountains) D:\TIFF\WILD4.TIF (Doom 2 RSKY1 with clouds) D:\TIFF\WORLD2.TIF (Doom 2 rocket-blast RSKY2 with thick clouds) I actually located the CD via archive.org as an ISO, I've put up a directory listing with thumbnails for you; Stupidity inbound for massive image, but oh well~ And as for the CD itself, El_Zee found an article on the MAJESTIC PLACES one from which SKY1 came from; http://www.elisoftware.org/index.php?title=Majestic_Places_%28PC_and_Mac,_CD-ROM%29_Aris_Entertainment_-_1992_USA,_Canada_Release
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    [FOUND] Doom Sky source files

    I suppose logic was what found it - I found the Doom 1 sky and thought to myself, if they found one sky on here, why not others? The CD rom they are on is called "Media Clips" by Aris Entertainment. The CD I'm specifically searching on is "The Best of Media Clips" as there's various ones such as "Media Clips Majestic Places", "Media Clips New York City", "Media Clips Wild Places" etc. I'm getting some of these in the mail soon so we might find more :D So after poking around for about 20 seconds, I saw the sunset one and thought huh, that has a lot of clouds in it, just like RSKY1. Two seconds later, El_Zee matched it and confirmed it. SKY1 was taken in Yangshuo Cavern, near Guilin, China, photographed by Tom Atwood. Not sure about the other ones.
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    3D Tootsietoy Dakota for you guys

    Hi all! So as some of you might've seen, I was able to liberate the real toy guns that the doom weapons were digitalized from. From this, I have created a 3d "Tootsietoy Dakota" replica which is as accurate as I can possibly make it, with the exception that I have made the ejection port large enough to birth a spent shell. https://sketchfab.com/models/3902b7bd3c374dc4a63607df12fc745b I have made the model freely available for you guys to download and do with what you wish - stick it in mods or just fool around with it. Bear in mind, I've set the licence to non-commercial, as I don't know what copyrights (if any) it would violate since ID did not own the rights to the toy gun itself, but Tootsietoy has actually sold off the design to another company in China which is now mass-producing super cheap clones under the "Montana" shotgun name. Enjoy! And expect more from me including the Chainsaw, BFG, Plasma Rifle etc.
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    3D Tootsietoy Dakota for you guys

    Tada - You're right too, the muzzle must've been edited out for the final shotgun. I couldn't get a decent shot because my house has no windows letting in natural light apparently, and cameras don't like that.
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