Bananas + Hitler + Genetic Engineering = Apocalypse

ok first off cloning sheep, plants, worms and other simple organisms is a far cry from cloning a human.

second just because the bible says it does not mean it is true. though the bible is improtant it is still made by the hand of man. i view it as a collection of many cultures, jews, romans, egyptians, and all the others in exsistance before and sense have a part in it.

coloneing humans has no pratical use. and cloning bodies for organs is also not practical. however cloning parts is. it is easier to clone, say a liver, that a whole human. mainly because a whole human would take years to be ready, sorry no real quick grow here. Also it would require far more care and nutrition as aposed to a single organ. Then the whole moral issue aswell.

thrid humans will probably destroy them selves in some way or another. i dout a hitler clone will do it. humans are violent and have most likly killed off the previous human species or ancestors.

i dont see why they dont keep a DNA record of the bananas, and then recreat them if they do go extinct.

Mankind is the third Anti-Christ. We'll end up killing ourselves, no doubt. Bananas have nothing to do with it.

I believe in the Hitler clone.

At this point, though I'm tempted to post hell this, I'll point out instead that bananas have little resistance to infection and probably won't survive much longer anyway.

If I'm not mistaken this thread started in relation to another thread that was about that very same piece of news.

theres 2 problems here:

1. Clones cant bring back the same person, only the same genetics of a person. if hitler had a twin and he was raised in say, Sweden, he might have been a totally different person

2. HITLER DID NOT DENY CHRIST. The Nazis exploited the cause of the "white christian," and helped gain support for their attacks on jews by calling them opponents of god. The Catholic Church, as with most fascist dictators (Franco, Mousolini as well) backed him.

How the hell is Napoleon an anti-christ but all the brutal tyrants that came before him not?

No matter... you can't stop me from believing in the Hitler clone.

To Wobbo:
1. Only the third Anti-Christ shall deny Christ
2. Napoleon was the first Anti-Christ according to Nostradamus because:

"Throughout Nostradamus' quatrains he speaks of three powerful and tyrannical leaders that he calls anti-Christs. He said they would lead their people through reigns of terror after first seducing them with promises of greatness (Guentte). Napoleon is thought to have been the first of these anti-Christs. Of Napoleon's rise to power and years as Emperor Nostradamus wrote:

An Emperor shall be born near Italy.
Who shall cost the Empire dear,
They shall say, with what people he keeps company
He shall be found less a Prince than a butcher.

Napoleon, who was considered a butcher even by his supporters, certainly cost the Empire dearly in both manpower and political
strength (Roberts 29).

From a simple soldier he will rise to the empire,
From the short robe he will attain the long.
Great swarms of bees shall arise.

After becoming Emperor, Napoleon adopted the beehive as his imperial crest (Ward 297). Some scholars say that Nostradamus was referring to Napoleon's destruction of Moscow when he wrote:

A great troop shall come through Russia.
The destroyer shall ruin a city.

Napoleon's forces drove too far and got trapped in the Russian winter (Guentte). The following verse resembles what could have been Napoleon's retreat across the icy part of Russia.

The rear guard will make defense.
The exhausted ones will die in the white territory. (Guentte)

Nostradamus made other predictions of Napoleon's fate:

The great Empire will soon be exchanged for a small place.
Which will soon begin to grow.
A small place of tiny area in the middle of which
He will come to lay down his scepter. (Reader's Digest 513)

The captive prince, conquered, is sent to Elba;
He will sail across the Gulf of Genoa to Marseilles.
By a great effort of the foreign forces he is overcome,
Though he escaped the fire, his bees yield blood by the barrel. (Ward 311)

Napoleon was exiled to the small island of Elba but escaped for 100 days. After a defeat at Waterloo he relinquished all power for exile on tiny St. Helena (Reader's Digest 513).

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Hitler was the second Anti-Christ because:

The second anti-Christ Nostradamus wrote about was "a man stained with murder...the great enemy of the human race...one who was worse than any who had gone before...bloody and inhuman." Experts are in agreement that the sixteenth century prophet was referring to Adolf Hitler (Guentte).

Out of the deepest part of the west of Europe,
From poor people a young child shall be born,
Who with his tongue shall seduce many people,
His fame shall increase in the Eastern Kingdom.

Adolf Hitler, born in Austria of poor parents, with his knowledge of mob psychology and powers of speech, was successful in seducing many people , even in the Eastern Empire of Japan (Roberts 88). In some quatrains Nostradamus refers to Hitler as the child or sometimes captain of Germany. Here are two examples:

He shall come to tyrannize the land.
He shall raise up a hatred that had long been dormant.
The child of Germany observes no law.
Cries, and tears, fire, blood, and battle.

A captain of Germany shall come to yield himself by false hope,
So that his revolt shall cause great bloodshed. (Guentte)

All of these images certainly describe Adolf Hitler. After seducing his people, Hitler ignored all treaties and began a massive invasion of Europe (Guentte). In the following verse, some experts say that Nostradamus actually referred to Hitler by name but missed by one letter.

Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers
The greater part of the battlefield will be against Hister.

Finally, Nostradamus sums up Hitler's life and even predicts the fact that his death in Berlin in 1945 would never be satisfactorily
confirmed:

Near the Rhine from the Austrian mountains
Will be born a great man of the people, come too late.
A man who will defend Poland and Hungary
And whose fate will never be certain (Reader's Digest 515).

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The third is amongst us!

According to Nostradamus, the first two anti-Christs were extremely evil, and history has shown this to be so; however, Nostradamus speaks of a third anti-Christ who is more hideous than all the others combined. What does Nostradamus say about this third anti-Christ? First, Nostradamus tells us he will come from the Middle East.

Out of the country of Greater Arabia
Shall be born a strong master of Mohammed...
He will enter Europe wearing a blue turban.
He will be the terror of mankind.
Never more horror.

Here, Nostradamus says that a man from Greater Arabia will lead his forces on an invasion through Europe. This invasion will start a third world war that will be far worse than all the other wars put together (Guentte). When will all this take place? In one quatrain Nostradamus gives us an exact date in which the war will be well under way.

In the year 1999 and seven months
From the sky will come the great King of Terror.
He will bring back to life the King of the Mongols;
Before and after war reigns.

Nostradamus predicts the war will begin shortly before the year 1999 (Roberts 191). He also tells us how long the war will last.

The war will last seven and twenty years. (Guentte)

Nostradamus says that the war will be so terrible that the world will come face to face with final annihilation. Here, he implies that the war might involve some kind of horrible weapon, possibly nuclear. Nostradamus tells what the first target will be.

The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city.

In this phrase, Nostradamus refers to a great city in the new world of America near forty-five degrees latitude. Experts agree this could only be New York.

By fire he will destroy their city,
A cold and cruel heart,
Blood will pour,
Mercy to none. (Guentte)

Although Nostradamus 's predictions for our future sound frightening he does give us some hope by telling us how this third world war will end. He says it will end as a result of an unexpected alliance.

When those of the Northern Pole are united,
In the East will be great fear and dread...
One day the two great leaders will be friends;
Their great powers will be seen to grow.
The New Land will be at the height of its power:
To the man of blood the number is reported.

The new land was a common term used by Nostradamus to refer to what we now call America. The countries of the northern pole could be Russia and the United States. We have recently seen the breakdown of Communism in Russia and an increasing friendship between Russia and the U.S. (Reader's Digest 515)."

For more info on this go here

Interesting article on the "accuracy" of clones to the original.

Another article about just how slim a clone's odds to survive are.

M0l0t0v's not the first one to apply Nostradamus to September 11th.

The anti-christ was Friedrich Nietzsche. Well, at least from an intellectual point of view.

myk said:

The anti-christ was Friedrich Nietzsche.

Friedrich? Don't you mean fredrik? :P

Vulg@r's rant

Good idea... A very original concept for a game... You, sir, are a genius. Where do you come up with this stuff?

DooMBoy said:

Heh, what you'll wind up as if you're in the War to End All Wars will be something not suitable for birds...heh heh.
Ah, the Tribulation is going to be one Hell of a time. No pun intended.

Avernus is a volcano that leads down to Hell. The meaning of avernus is "not birds" or "without birds."

Wobbo, the only reason that they believe that a Hitler clone will become the anti-christ is because it is believed, by this special sect of devout Theologists, that a clone is an empty vessel. That is, they've no souls. Because it/Hitler/anti-christ has no soul, it can easily be taken and manipulated by Satan (in fact, it's supposed to happen that way)in order to overthrow God's rule on earth. Otherwise, I do agree with you, that you can only recreate someone genetically, but they'll never be quite the same due to their life experiences.

And Krezy Man, now that you mention it, it does seem kind of like a neat concept or element for some sort of fucked up cult favorite game. It reminds me a bit of Tecmo's Deception, where your character got screwed over in a coup and asked the devil for help. In return, you had to kill people and use their souls and search for certain artifacts to resurrect him.

Actually, there was something I failed to mention in the very first post I put up. M0l0t0v reminded me of something that I was also told...a couple big clues about the anti-christ was that this clone was to be an illusion of a man who's destruction of God's Children (the Jews) will be like no other before it and he will perish by a wound to the head and poison in his body. Both aptly describe many accounts of Hitler's death.

The next hassle in creating living functioning human clones: Protecting them from being assassinated by religious fanatics.

Apocalypse? Phew, glad i booked *my* seat.

m0l0t0v said:

To Phoenix:


This is believed to refer only to the third Anti-Christ described by Nostradamus. The first two might have had other plans, but just like the third they pretended to act in the name of God, while in reality they were working for Satan.

*typed statement of the occult is not necessarily my beliefs*

Nostredamus is as easily refuted as Revelation by its vague description. But I understand now what you mean.

Read here reg. your long post.
http://www.armaggeddon.co.uk/html/anti-christ.html

first must read
http://www.armaggeddon.co.uk/html/anti-christ.html

myk said:

The anti-christ was Friedrich Nietzsche. Well, at least from an intellectual point of view.

No I think too stupid for that, Nietzsche that is. Besides luckily he's dead now and he can't write any more crap.

myk said:

The anti-christ was Friedrich Nietzsche. Well, at least from an intellectual point of view.

Wow, someone else knows of Nietzsche.

Phoenix said:

No I think too stupid for that, Nietzsche that is. Besides luckily he's dead now and he can't write any more crap.

amen to that.

"Gott ist tot. Wohin ist Gott? Ich will es euch sagen. Wir haben ihn getötet, - ihr und ich!"

Nietzsche wasn`t stupid, although his nihilistic follows are. He said interesting thing worth our attention and time, but people tend to use his words as "atheist slogans" nowadays...

m0l0t0v, yeah, I agree. Plus he was an excellent writer and had a great taste in reading.

Also, arguing philosophy on DW is stupid.

good post molotov, i honestly thought you were joking before. other people should keep in mind that nostradamus isnt specisl in the eyes of christianity.

most of what Nostradamus said could be applied to many rulers, for example alexander the great. Russia was invadedd by MANY people throughout history, such as the mongols. its not to big of a prediction to say that, for example a soldier will become a ruler - most leaders throughout european history have been military dictators. The list of obvious predictions that could have been made by any educated person at the time go ona and on and on...

and Nostradamus said a LOT of things, if the entire world had turned out different he probably still would have looked like he was right about a lot.

has anyone seen the episode of south park where they make fun of "beyond?" thats a perfect example of what were talking about.