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The War

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So it's all begun in earnest today.

Here is the place, and the only place on for you to discuss the developments as they happen over the next days and weeks.

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All the news stations have cameras pointed at Baghdad. They're waiting for it to blow up.

I think that would be a ballsy move for Saddam: wait for Allied troops to take the city, then blow it up on top of them.

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In the "other" thread

DSM said:

the UN has participated in bombing targets and missing the military targets, hitting civie targets - not in this war perhaps, but in other wars (e.g. Yugoslavia).

THAT was NATO not the UN.

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I know that there is a crisis at hand, but Bush still looks like a monkey. :P

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I'd change the name of this thread to something else... some humongous superpower bombing the shit out of some half-disarmed, mostly impoverished country where some petty dictator is crouching in a tunnel behind some oilwells and hospitals is not a war, it's just senseless crap you can watch on TV (to mention the most positive part of all this.)

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999cop said:

World War III

heh


I see nothing funny about that. The way things are going that could very well happen.

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It appears to be a holy war or "jihad" fought in the biblical lands. It's the second commin' of Jesus! I actually know of quite a few people that think that.


This is the end...beautiful friend...

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Lost Soul said:

I see nothing funny about that. The way things are going that could very well happen.

HAHAH! I see lots of funny!

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Dingus Khan said:

It appears to be a holy war or "jihad" fought in the biblical lands. It's the second commin' of Jesus! I actually know of quite a few people that think that.


This is the end...beautiful friend...

If Bush could just stop saying "God bless.....whoever" here he would stop alienating other faiths.

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Yes this is the end as foretold by some book and it was said in 1914, 1940 and for 1991. Then it was said for sure now in 2000 and again 2001. Now it might very well apply for Babylon the Great even so Babylon rules basically nothing so maybe oh well.

Ever noticed prophecies became true right after they were correctly interpreted after the fact? (I know bad English)

[rant]
What Bush does is nothing more or less then other World Powers did before him. In the past they used the Just Religion as a front to spread the “true” faith now the true faith is capitalism and democratic elected governments; which are best for the people. The principle is still the same. I conquer you for the good of your people. I love the US, so I am for Bush’s action, but am not blind to reality either. Not everyone wants to live like I do. Even so I think it is best for me I also think they should have a say in it. Right now I am caught between potential profits I like and repeated colonial history I am embarrassed about. Europe did this now for since the Roman Empire non-stop; with US following suit. Maybe she is right somehow; I was being told by a woman: We are the white devils from the underground, we came from deep below, never seen the sun and brought our hell onto the face of the earth.[/rant]

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At the site of the hanging gardens of Babylon there is a real old lion statue, and theres a saying that this lion will kill anyone that tries to attack Babylon (IRAQ), now Usama bin Laden's given name, USAMA means "LION", scary or what?

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Sometimes it seems like the only true faiths are money and power. Even if this be a holy war and Saddam is the mastermind of it, it's still just a power struggle, correct? Nothing to do with religion, it's just because he wants to be king of the hill.

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to fodder's post
Not for me. I was a Christian 666 and all that, then I had to take critical reading ... then it dawned on me that those are inventions to keep you scared. I still believe in some sort of God, but that's about it.

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Phoenix said:
In the past they used the Just Religion as a front to spread the “true” faith now the true faith is capitalism and democratic elected governments; which are best for the people. The principle is still the same. I conquer you for the good of your people.

Love is a battlefield?

I love the US as well, but that's why it bothers me so much that Bush and his cronies are pushing ahead with the war like this. Maybe we'll get Sadam and maybe the people of Iraq will be happier, but the US is hurting itself greatly as far as the global community is concerned, and by far there is the potential for more harm than good coming from handling the situation like this. But that's just my opinion.

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This is certainly not a holy war for iraqis.

Ever noticed how Saddam Hussein never wears traditional arab clothes?

That's because he represents a socialist government. The power was taken by his brother in a socialist revolution. Before that, the leader of Iraq was a king, a relative of the muslim Khalif.

The muslims are against Saddam, pretty much. During the gulf war, a few muslim states were in the anti-Iraq coalition.

Ever noticed how Saddam always makes a point of hating Israel? During the gulf war, he sent missiles to Israel seemingly for no reason. That's because he was trying to get the other arabs on his side, using the hatred of Israel common to most arabs. But he failed, pretty much.

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Yay! I just found out that a friend who is half arab was attacked on the train because of his nationality.

I hate the human race.

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I don't feel too well about the war in general. Also, it's kind of ironic that a French subway was almost attacked by chemical weapons...and they're the pacifists. Heh.

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Vulg@r said:

I don't feel too well about the war in general. Also, it's kind of ironic that a French subway was almost attacked by chemical weapons...and they're the pacifists. Heh.

seems strange to me people only criticize america for working towards it's common interests and are called "warmongers", and when france does the same thing they're called "paciifists"... i don't see how they're any less selfish then we are.

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It's another imbalanced, illegitimate war between the world's last superpower and a country full of little brown people and their insane leaders. And again, it's fought mainly for economical and political reasons. Big surprise there.

For me personally, the worst part of the war is this :



Like what the FUCK is he doing ? Trying to look serious ? He looks like he just shit his pants, for chrissakes. What I can't grasp is how the dumbest, least charismatic president ever could get all the public support he has. How did it come to this ?

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Lord FlatHead said:

Like what the FUCK is he doing ? Trying to look serious ? He looks like he just shit his pants, for chrissakes. What I can't grasp is how the dumbest, least charismatic president ever could get all the public support he has. How did it come to this ?

Money.

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Lost Soul said:

I see nothing funny about that. The way things are going that could very well happen.

i very much doubt that. there will never be another world war as long as the current U.S. system of government stands, because obviously no one's about to stand up to the United States. if the united states wanted to, it could conquer the world six times over. people can talk about how every war could be the next world war, but there's very limited evidence to suggest something as trivial as this could trigger that.

i'm not directing this at anyone in particular, but it would be kind of nice to hear some logical arguments in here, not just these ridiculous "god bush is so dumb the world is going to hell, world war 3 omg, bush is a retard, the world is going to end, bush is a fag"... please think out of logic, not out of your anger and paranoid delusions... and probably this is a sign you're spending too much time watching cnn

i'm not even in support of this war but some of you people are scaring the living shit out of me... not at the current situation, but just how some people conceive the issue.

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I want to see us say, "Go ahead motherfuckers, burn your oil wells." And after we say that, we STILL continue the war. That'd show what our real intent is.

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Vulg@r said:

I want to see us say, "Go ahead motherfuckers, burn your oil wells." And after we say that, we STILL continue the war. That'd show what our real intent is.


yeah, but we wouldn't say that, even if oil was worthless to us, because:

a) it's an environmental catastrophe
b) the oil wells are resources of iraq, and we feel that the resources of iraq should belong to the people of iraq, and as such the gov't destroying such wells would be a crime against the people of iraq.

admittedly, this oil benefits the united states as well as iraqis, but certainly this is iraq's most valuable resource and is even more valuable to the people of iraq than it is to U.S. consumers. by promoting their destruction we might look better to some, but we certainly wouldn't be doing anything better.

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Oh, I remember that during the Afghanistan war (anyone still remember that one?) someone here on DW claimed that the USA would never attack Afghanistan without UN support.

Well, go fuck yourself.

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Hey, guess where the only place in America is that North Korea can hit with it's nukes? Northern Washington. So if they join, I'm screwed. But you know what? I don't fucking care. Personaly, I hope the entire human race is annihilated for being a bunch of stupid fucking arogant shitheads. Sadly, this will kill off the few decent people there are in this world, but oh well...it seems the only way. The human race is dooming itself due to stupid fucking arrogance and greed. You know there is no fucking god or anything looking over this world. Anything that would care would not let this go on. Its proof that we're here alone and SHOULD fucking be working together instead of killing the shit out of each other, but no. I guess personal wealth for a few is much better than the lives of a few million people. Fuck this world.

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the_Danarchist said:

Hey, guess where the only place in America is that North Korea can hit with it's nukes? Northern Washington. So if they join, I'm screwed. But you know what? I don't fucking care. Personaly, I hope the entire human race is annihilated for being a bunch of stupid fucking arogant shitheads. Sadly, this will kill off the few decent people there are in this world, but oh well...it seems the only way. The human race is dooming itself due to stupid fucking arrogance and greed. You know there is no fucking god or anything looking over this world. Anything that would care would not let this go on. Its proof that we're here alone and SHOULD fucking be working together instead of killing the shit out of each other, but no. I guess personal wealth for a few is much better than the lives of a few million people. Fuck this world.

i appreciate your optimism dan. uhh and north korea isn't going to "join" with Iraq.. i don't know where people come up with ideas like this, they're plain ridiculous.. north korea hardly has relations with iraq let alone "wants to join in the fun of being annihilated"... north korea would only strike if we struck them first... exactly why we're not bothering with them (for the time being). and that's also why we're talking diplomacy with them, not war.

and for the record i apparently could be hit by nukes as well.. from what i heard washington, alaska, hawaii, as well as oregon (where i live) could be hit by north korea. personally i have no opposition to being hit by a nuclear warhead.. i'm not suicidal, i just don't give a shit

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saddam, socialist? heh, that's like saying the soviet leaders were socialists.

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