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Grimm said:

The government need not be so interventialist. I don't know what scorecard Europe is going by, but the one I and my country are on leaves America at exactly where I said it was.

All right, Georges Junior, all right.

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The Flange Peddler said:

Nice, but not quite right. At the bottom where you have 'communism' it should rwad 'TEH EVIL OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!'

It's implied.

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Let's not confuse foreign policy with politics. In foreign policy America may very well be right-wing, assuming left-wing is pacifism. But I'm talking about politics. And I think I know where politics is headed in my own freaking country, thank you very much. I don't need foreign advisors telling me which side it's leaning on. I see a couple of people being fed through the propaganda filter around here, but I'm not one of them.

And by the way, I happen to have the same opinion as sargebaldy on Bush: He's an okay President. So don't affiliate me with Bush.

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The Ultimate DooMer said:

And I wouldn't be surprised if he bribed whoever ran the elections in 2000 to fix the outcome in his favour by stopping all the soldiers serving abroad from voting (for Gore).

soldiers overwhelmingly vote gop

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Fredrik said:

And what would you call it as it is right now? A pacifist left-wing nation?

Which would be better? A pacifist right-wing nation, or a militant left-wing nation? :P

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Grimm said:

And I think I know where politics is headed in my own freaking country, thank you very much.

As do I, and I can see that you are horribly confused. This country is headed for disaster. Which disaster that is, I don't know, but at the current rate, something bad is going to happen in the next decade.

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Linguica said:

soldiers overwhelmingly vote gop

They aren't going to anymore. The Army Times and its sister rags are traditionally very conservative, and they utterly hate Bush because of what he's doing to military pay and benefits.

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the_Danarchist said:

This country is headed for disaster. Which disaster that is, I don't know, but at the current rate, something bad is going to happen in the next decade.

Hold me Dan.

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Grimm said:

And by the way, I happen to have the same opinion as sargebaldy on Bush: He's an okay President.

So a President whose administration has caused the majority of the population of almost every other country in the world to hate America, has antagonized more governments of other countries than any other president, has violated internation treaties and even human rights countless times, has more American citizens fearing for their lives (daily) than ever before, is poisoning the world with more toxic gases and other pollutants than in history, and is leading your country (and by association the rest of the world) towards what may very well be a bigger economic depression than the one in the 1920's is "okay" is he?

I'm not sure I even dare to imagine what'd you consider a "bad" president...

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Little Faith said:
About the president on dope debacle:

President who have been on dope previously, but have stopped: Not necessarily a bad thing.


Yeah, well, drugs are okay if you use them with care. But if you abuse them, melting away half your brain cells, there's a problem, so um... you know.

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Which disaster that is, I don't know, but at the current rate, something bad is going to happen in the next decade.


I agree.

1.has more American citizens fearing for their lives (daily) than ever before, 2.is poisoning the world with more toxic gases and other pollutants than in history, 3.and is leading your country (and by association the rest of the world) towards what may very well be a bigger economic depression than the one in the 1920's is "okay" is he?


1. You don't know what you're talking about, unless you know some insider info I don't.
2. When the amount of pollution increases every year, it's hard not to be the leader of pollution.
3. Yerp, 9/11, all Bush's fault.

As for the rest of the subjective blah you wrote, I believe I've answered that elsewhere.

By the way Dark Fox, that was a truly impressive post. I should hope to be as good as you someday.

EDIT: That chart really shows off your misconception of America, Fredrick.

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Why people are equating "economic collapse" with "9/11" (obligatory NEVAR FORGET here), while not unrealistic, is still a leap of logic. Granted, 9/11 kicked the US economy in the nuts, but nobody is blaming Bush the Lesser of causing the attack; it's his inability to lead the country into economic recovery after the attack that pisses people off.

Shit, a competent leader could have had the country standing tall and proud again six months after the attack, rather than using this fearmongering propaganda bullshit to keep the populace jumping at shadows.

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Grimm said:

1. You don't know what you're talking about, unless you know some insider info I don't.


uh, why do you think a good portion of the US population supported the invasion of iraq? maybe because Bush used 9/11 and everyones general fear of the word 'terrorism' to make people think that Saddam somehow had some sort of connection with Osama and all them when in fact there is/was nothing whatsoever to prove that. Yet people still think it. it's only natural when you say 'terrorism' and 'iraq' in the same sentence so soon after 9/11 that people will make that association. the bush administration knew exactly what they were doing there.

okay so maybe we went there to get rid of iraq's weapons of mass destruction then. oh wait, where are those, not there huh...

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IMJack said:

a competent leader could have had the country standing tall and proud again six months after the attack

I recall there were grave fears that the US economy was sliding inevitably into a serious recession even before the attack, so I don't understand the basis for this statement.

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IMJack said:

Shit, a competent leader could have had the country standing tall and proud again six months after the attack, rather than using this fearmongering propaganda bullshit to keep the populace jumping at shadows.

I think John Stewart said it best about the current state of our economy:

"HIDE YOUR MONEY IN YOUR MATRESSES! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!"

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I don't understand the chart. Somebody care to explain what the line represents? Is it what, time? And the colors, are they just decorative or what? The peaks, are they representing how over time we go into phases of communism/socialism/liberalism/conservatism/fascism up to a point and then decline?

Hell, I don't know. Explain it, please.

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The line is simply a left-right axis. The colors and shapes mean nothing. The chart simply shows real-world definitions of government systems versus the typical American perception of the same.

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uh fredrik, have you ever been to america? since the fuck when are all liberals considered communists? according to your chart there's no such thing as moderates either. there is more to a 'right' and 'left' in politics. there's a diamond, with the extremes being up respresenting fascism (no social or economic freedom), down representing libertarianism (social and economic freedom), left representing liberalism (social freedom but no economic freedom) and the right meaning conservatism (economic freedom but no social freedom). how i see it:

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sargebaldy said:

libertarianism


What is libertarianism? By the way I think everybody exaggerates the invluence politics has on the economy. But I do agree that for the global economy a feeling of war (US in global war on terror) does not really help.

My personal feeling on US politics? It is run by powerhungry men that do not work for "the people" of the US but they work for "capital/oil/wealthy/other powerfull people". In fact they see "the people" only as consumers (keep them buying!) that must buy products so the wealthy can get more wealthy.

I'm a Liberal.

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sargebaldy said:

uh fredrik, have you ever been to america? since the fuck when are all liberals considered communists? according to your chart there's no such thing as moderates either.

I think fredrik wanted to show with that graph how warped and completely disconnected from reality Grimm's view on the political system is.

I've seen your diamond shaped graph before on some political test website. I ended up somewhere in the center.

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well i like how he decided "according to grimm" is the same thing as "according to the US". that's pretty warped as well. especially since grimm hardly seems excessively conservative.

libertarian n.
1. One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.

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sargebaldy said:

libertarian n.
1. One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.


"Libertarians felt that any attempt to solve social problems had to depend on private, voluntary effort, and that modifying social factors would inevitably lead to worse problems. Liberals felt that the problems were too serious to be passively left to chance in this way, and that government should have a role in influencing the social framework within which people act."

That sounds harsh!

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Grimm said:

1. You don't know what you're talking about, unless you know some insider info I don't.

If you're unaware of the level of paranoia about terrorist attacks there currently is in your population, then clearly it's you who don't know what you're talking about.

2. When the amount of pollution increases every year, it's hard not to be the leader of pollution.

There have been several years when pollution has gone down. Plus surely you're aware that Bush actually pulled out of an international treaty (one which the US has been aparty to for decades) regarding permitable levels of pollution?

3. Yerp, 9/11, all Bush's fault.

If you think 9/11 is the only negative think to hit American economics in recent years, then I strongly recommend you go do some research on the subject.

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NiGHTMARE said:

If you're unaware of the level of paranoia about terrorist attacks there currently is in your population, then clearly it's you who don't know what you're talking about.

heh, there's no paranoia whatsoever on the west coast. no one's struck in a few thousand miles of us, so why should we care.

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Not caring about parts of your own population just about says it all of Americans ;)

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