Dave: why do they call them urinal mints, anyway... they don't taste like mint.
Lüt: never heard of urinal mints before.
Dave: you've never seen those things in a urinal?
Lüt: oh. they call those cakes.
Dave: sometimes they call them urinal cakes...
but they don't taste like cake either.
Dave: not like any cake i've ever had before, anyway.
Lüt: it's all relative to the urinal.
Dave: not really... the old ones just taste really salty and ick... the new ones taste like eating lye.
Lüt: well, since it's usually the urinal that uses those, if the uniral thinks it tastes like a mint, then it's a mint. if it thinks it tastes like a cake, then it's a cake. Based on what the urinals daily diet consists of I wouldn't take it's opinions on taste too seriously.
Dave: i've never had a urinal tell me that it tastes like mint.
Dave: so what you're saying is that if i think an apple tastes like chocolate, then it's chocolate?
Lüt: there are people who can decipher these things.
Lüt: relative to you, yes.
Dave: but that's not true...it's an apple, despite what it tastes like.
Lüt: and you said the urinal mints didn't taste like mints, not that they aren't mints.
Dave: i know.
Dave: i never claimed that they aren't mints... i was just questioning their flavor.
Lüt: and i pointed out that since they are made for the urinal, the urinal determines it's flavor, which is apparently mint.
Dave: but flavor is not entirely a relative thing.
Dave: so it isn't up to the urinal to decide what flavor it is...
Dave: besides, mint has specifically to do with a certain type of plant's extract.
Lüt: but it probably had a say, i am sure the people who made it didn't actually taste it themselves, they probably would have just taken the urinal's word for it. They may have made a mistake.
Dave: the urinal has no say...
Lüt: concerning the flavor of it, i would think it has quite the say.
Lüt: whether or not it is actually composed of mint may be a different story.
Dave: when someone handed you some mint flavored chocolate for the first time in your life, did they say, "here, this is mint," or do you think that it was more like:
"here, try this, what does it taste like?"
and then you replied, "hmmm...i don't know, but i would call this flavor 'mint' if i had to come up with a name for it out of the blue".
Dave: mint is an objective fact, it is a certain chemical formula...
now, whether the urinal enjoys or does not enjoy it, finds it refreshing or not, it would still be a mint.
Lüt: no, but they probably tried a lot of different recipes when developing the facts, considering that the urinals may have had a somewhat normal diet before they were installed into public restrooms they might have chosen the one that tasted the closest to a normal mint out of the various flavors they had available.
Dave: there is no such thing as 'normal' or 'abnormal' mint... mint is *ONE* chemical formula... not a wide variety of chemicals that can be mixed and matched.
Dave: either it is or it isn't mint, there's no alternative
Lüt: but there can be different flavors added to change the overall taste. There are lots of mint products that taste different even though they each have mint in them.
Dave: but the mint flavor itself is always present.
Dave: and can always be singled out, too.
Dave: the other flavors (chocolate, sugar, etc) are just to complement it, not change it.
Lüt: exactly, which is what I am saying; they would have chosen the one that tasted closest to mint.
Dave: but that's what i'm saying... they don't taste like mint.
Lüt: you are not considering that a urinal has a completely different taste system than we do.
Dave: taste system is irrelevant... mint is mint, regardless of how the brain understands it.
Lüt: how can it be irrelevant?? theirs is obviously determining tastes differently than ours.
Dave: dogs like dog food, but to most people it doesn't taste very good... but the actual chemicals that make up the taste remain the same regardless of the species eating it... the same with mint... mint tastes like mint, no matter who or what is eating it.
Lüt: yes but the dogs taste system is similar to anybody elses. Urinals don't have organic taste systems to begin with.
Dave: organic is irrelevant.
Lüt: you wouldn't really know unless you understood how the other works.
Dave: i do understand how the other works...you pull the lever and it flushes...
Dave: besides, understanding is futile.
Dave: i'm just going to assimilate you and have done with it...