Now that I have been here a while, and got past my initial hazing, I have found the vast majority of Doomworlders to be talented, gifted and unique individuals who, most of the time, work together really well to produce some really remarkable stuff. Ask yourselves where would Doom be today without you guys. And the answer is pretty much nowhere.
But that said, I do actually agree with a lot of what Mr Proctor has said (minus the anger and the swearing of course.) As a general rule, we have been pretty poor at integrating noobs and helping them become useful and productive members of the community.
Now I know, Maruta 731 is not the greatest mod ever released on these forums. I played through almost all of it, and here is my point. It is not great, but there really was some great ideas in there. With a little work and encouragement, Mr Proctor might have over time, become a great mapper/modder. And in order for that to happen, it takes encouragement, the odd kind word, and yes, usually lots of biting your tongue.
I know we feel that it is helpful for us to be *direct* in our posts, and that if something is crap, then just call it crap and be done with it. And while there is nothing wrong with this, hell, I have done this, don't expect the majority of noobs here to be able to tell the difference between 'bluntness' and 'trolling'. And lets face it, sometimes (not always but sometimes,) being blunt is just the 'cover' we use when we want to rip seven shades of shit out of something.
I've seen this happen a lot over the years I have been here. Expecting someone like Mr Proctor to produce a first mod that meets the standard of work that many of the brilliant mappers/modders who have been doing this for years, is just crap.
Anyway, one little mod is not that important in the overall scheme of things, but I can't help but feel that we are costing ourselves probably several top megawads and dozens of good mods every year because we suck so badly at integrating noobs into the community. And Mr Proctor is just one example of many.
This mod was a long way outside of the confines of what we define as 'good' around here. It was unique, and I actually liked how different it was. Full of interesting ideas. I can only imagine what this might have become if Mr Proctor got involved here, hung around, and simply learned from all the best mappers/modders in the business. (ie you guys.)
Anyway, probably all waaaaaay tl;dr. And nothing I haven't said before. But there. I've said it again.
Last edited by KiiiYiiiKiiiA on Nov 24 2012 at 04:03