Brutal Doom version 18a

We've already warned all who were involved in that split topic and if it keeps up there will be banning.

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Tarnsman said:
Edit also: This isn't "casual" racism, this is actual racism. [/B]


Casual racism is actual racism; it normalizes racism and perpetuates white privilege, making it particularly insidious.

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esselfortium said:

torture-porn

now I am not an expert on this, but this ain't what I would consider porn...

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Sergeant_Mark_IV said:

The issue with the flare clipping happens because you have set your sprite billboard to XY. Go to display options, OpenGL options, preferences, and set it to Y.


i am pretty sure I have it on Y and also the smooth edge of sprite on OFF, too(cause this option affected the flares in the landronum version which i am using now).

oh, is there a place i can put feedback in or bug report??

one of the feedback i would like to give, is that the plasma gun beep like an alarm clock non stop when it runs out of ammo...
and another suggestion is that can you make more glore and blood and blood dropping from the ceiling when the monster was killed by exploding barrel, please? i was expecting more glore than shotgun would produce, so it would be great to see massive glore when a ton of monsters got tossed by the barrel!!!

anyway, you are awesome, i have not played a mod better than yours, and is good this time around to still see people keeping the fire of the all time classic and still giving something back to it!!!

cheers!!

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BlazingPhoenix said:

We've already warned all who were involved in that split topic and if it keeps up there will be banning.


Are you talking about ZDoom forums or here, because here you aren't even on the "forum leaders" list.

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keithktam said:

and is good this time around to still see people keeping the fire of the all time classic and still giving something back to it!!!


You mean giving something like this http://i.imgur.com/GkMCAzc.jpg back to Doom? Yeah, definitely puts a good light on the game.

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This picture is about a frame on one of the new fatalities that in a closer analysis, reminds of Impse. Just made a joke about it for the Valentine's Day. Now there will be drama about it too?

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Holy fucking shit what happened to the doom coomunity, yeah the outcry about the racism is fair enough but to then start complaining about the violence, a mod for the fucking videogame Doom which along with Mortal Kombat started the gore train to the mainstream in the FIRST PLACE!?!

I've seen far worse gore in so many games since then (Soldier of Fortune, Kingpin, Gears of War, newest Mortal Kombat, Manhunt)
When people start complaining about the gore of a mod for DOOM then you know the worlds gone too PC.

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Holy shit come on essel, I know you are a mod and all but he has removed said line for upcoming v18 but what do you want out of him, a 500 word apology or something? Are you really trying to tarnish the reputation over one non-PC comment here and on the ZDoom and Zandronum forums also?

And don't let your hatred for the mod interfere for your capabilities.

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Woolie Wool said:

Sergeant Mark IV deserves to carry for the rest of his time in the Doom community as a a mark of what a repugnant human being he is.


Whoah dude. lol. You are watching too much Quentin Tarantino movies.

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It's not the gore I really care about given the road already paved. It's the humanization of the monsters that unsettles me, like zombies and imps holding their guts and screaming helplessly or crawling around aimlessly while they die so that they can be "brutalized". The armies of Hell should be trying to kill the player with their every dying breath; that's their reason for being. If Doomguy kicks a hell knight in the face, he should be fixing to lose a foot if he's not careful.

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So, why the heck are all you guys only complaining about the violence now? This mod has been around for a while. This began with a discussion of racism - you've had a couple years to be outraged over the violence, don't suddenly grow a conscience now.

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What's so racist about that joke? Where does it say that people with black skin are better than people with white skin or vice versa?

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Mr. Chris said:

Holy shit come on essel, I know you are a mod and all but he has removed said line for upcoming v18 but what do you want out of him, a 500 word apology or something? Are you really trying to tarnish the reputation over one non-PC comment here and on the ZDoom and Zandronum forums also?

And don't let your hatred for the mod interfere for your capabilities.


As someone already said, the people making the biggest shit fest out of this are those who don't like the mod in the first place. They obviously have ulterior motives which have nothing to do with achieving "racial justice."

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Memfis said:

What's so racist about that joke? Where does it say that people with black skin are better than people with white skin or vice versa?


The term "nigger", because of its history and especially in the US, is intrinsically racist. This is a phenomenon known as connotation.

Creating an equivalence between a charred corpse and a black person is also quite strongly racist, and I'm astounded you don't see it.

The jab at rap music making people black is also rather racist, given the associations between this music genre and crime (cf. gangsta rap).

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being honest, I would have made the demons crawl towards the player, like the zombies from half life, keep trying to kill you and mutilate you from the shins up!

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Josh, they are still human and the physiology of how much trauma they can handle before dying still exists.

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Mr. Chris said:

Josh, they are still human and the physiology of how much trauma they can handle before dying still exists.

I was referring to the hellknights, they are goddamn tanks! I am sure those things would still be crawling about just to get there revenge on you, its like a last ditch attempt to complete their mission, like some of the strogg from quake 2 do when they lose their head or get shot to fuck.

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Well, I don't think it's a good idea to throw away a nice word just because someone used it in a negative context in the past. It's just a useful word that means "black person". Same way as swastika doesn't mean Arian race to me, it means what it originally meant, unless the intention is clarified.

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Sergeant_Mark_IV said:

Now Essel, if you don't have anything better to do in your life than showing how jealous you are about Brutal Doom's success, trying in any means possible to bring it down, I am gently asking you to leave.

I don't care about your mod or any vendettas or complexes you may have, but if I see any further posts like this, you can expect to be removed from the forums, at the very least temporarily.

And more generally, some posters seem to have decided that Essel is somehow "the DW moderator that you can flame and troll without any consequences". If you attack a DW moderator, you are attacking DW, and will be dealt with accordingly. Thanks for your attention.

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Memfis said:

Well, I don't think it's a good idea to throw away a nice word just because someone used it in a negative context in the past. It's just a useful word that means "black person". Same way as swastika doesn't mean Arian race to me, it means what it originally meant, unless the intention is clarified.

quoted for posterity, this is so wonderfully oblivious... don't be stupid and run for the hills NOW.

edit: the more i look at it, the more i laugh at the sheer stupidity of that claim. i just imagine the porch monkey scene from clerks 2, instead now randall's taking back "nigger".

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Mr. Chris said:

Josh, they are still human and the physiology of how much trauma they can handle before dying still exists.


Oh you cannot be serious. Come on, what they are is even described in the fucking manual: FORMER human. Waste 'em.

Anyway, my issue with all violence in this mod isn't anything to do with it being "torture-porn", or anything like that. I couldn't give a shit about some Zombieman crawling around screaming his head off - just shoot it again (if just to preserve your sense of hearing) and get on with your life, instead of seeing it as some mind-altering issue that creates real monsters out of us (inb4 this is quoted with a Repercussions Of Evil reference tacked-on). No. It's that you can't see a fucking thing for all the stupid shit that starts flying around needlessly every time you so much as look at some monsters. It's 'tasteless' in the sense that it's filled with obnoxious and mindless effects, just for the sake of having them in the mix. Just what are you compensating for with all of this ludicrous 'eye-candy'?

Memfis said:

Well, I don't think it's a good idea to throw away a nice word just because someone used it in a negative context in the past. It's just a useful word that means "black person". Same way as swastika doesn't mean Arian race to me, it means what it originally meant, unless the intention is clarified.


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Mr. Chris said:

Josh, they are still human and the physiology of how much trauma they can handle before dying still exists.


They're human bodies but they're not being run by human minds.

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doom_is_great said:

As someone already said, the people making the biggest shit fest out of this are those who don't like the mod in the first place. They obviously have ulterior motives which have nothing to do with achieving "racial justice."

Wait, people actually took offense at the intense violence of Brutal Doom?

HAHA OH MY LAWD!

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About the apology thing: I don't know... Mark totally knew before hand that what he did was wrong and bad, but despite that, he carried on with it anyway. It's like committing a crime, then apologizing for doing it (I'm comparing the wrongness of the two, no more no less).

To me, Mark seems to like controversy. First the real gore stuff, and now this. With controversy comes attention, with attention comes popularity. It's like what he already gets from both, thanks to the Brutal Doom, aren't enough!

And yes, I'm not a BD fan. I don't play it (though I tried a very old version, when it was a gameplay mod). It's not my cup of tea, due to several reasons, one of which Tarnsman and Kmxexii had pointed out few posts above.

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Blue Shadow said:

About the apology thing: I don't know... Mark totally knew before hand that what he did was wrong and bad, but despite that, he carried on with it anyway. It's like committing a crime, then apologizing for doing it (I'm comparing the wrongness of the two, no more no less).

To me, Mark seems to like controversy. First the real gore stuff, and now this. With controversy comes attention, with attention comes popularity. It's like what he already gets from both, thanks to the Brutal Doom, aren't enough!

And yes, I'm not a BD fan. I don't play it (though I tried a very old version, when it was a gameplay mod). It's not my cup of tea, due to several reasons, one of which Tarnsman and Kmxexii had pointed out few posts above.

I completely agree with this. I personally think he's letting the fame get to his head and thinks he can chuck whatever he wants into his mod and get away with it because I am starting to notice a very distinct pattern (real gore, now a racist comment). I've only ever played v13 a couple of times and the mod didn't appeal to me much.

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Would it best if Mark's wads were removed from the archive and his title be changed to worse than Hitler? Because that would be BrĂ¼tal.

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