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Idk why I did this. it17m127.zip

DSDA page Cosmogenesis map04 max in 9:43 cosmo04-943.zip

@Gustaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I beg youuuuuuu please

poog05m128.zip poog09m909.zip

All the maps used until people started throwing more maps into the wad allowed for modifications in their txt files, and appart from the phml and gazebo maps the rest of the maps (past map19) are so different from their base maps that they might as well be considered original.

Only the first 40 maps are from the original author, I don't think adding more maps to this wad by random people should even be allowed, plus these later versions have edits to the original maps that make them play in unintended ways.

Do we need to start begging for this wad like we beg for ksutra2?

Map11 max in 2:13 ru11-213.zip

Map11 max 3:55 has11-355.zip

dmn01-723.zip

Iirc zm is in dsda team so he might upload the runs?, but the standard practice is to not upload demos of unfinished wads and recording demos for these wads is not encouraged.

It's cybercontrol map32, best part is this one happens 100% of the time.

dmn01-732.zip

The thing with closets is that most of the time it doesn't make a difference what teleport, in the mayhem map the closet has hundreds of enemies and it's usually 1 imp that doesn't teleport in, it doesn't make any difference in the fight but invalidates your run, saying a run in this map would now aim to miss monsters to save time is false, and so is the case of most broken closets. Pushing cybers off ledges would be the case that would give advantage to the player if it was decided they can be skipped. It could be decided if a monster not spawning makes a difference into the run, I can't think of maps where this is the case, but it would account for possible future noye2 maps that have broken cyber closets just to be the exception. There somewhat of a difference between slow teleporters and closets that are broken and the monster will never teleport. In sc26 max your time is almost entirely dependant on how fast the monsters decide to teleport, but since the teleporter actually works I think you should kill everything in this map.

Dsda has separate entries for normal and secret exits, I think there isn't a more correct way to max the map since they won't be in the same table anyway.

And now for the hotter takes, the initial post doesn't address the core issue that was maps where sometimes monsters are unkillable. Everyone knows if a map has a monster you can't kill in any way you skip it, it's been like that forever. The best example is sunder map13, it has some pains that I've heard spawn about 50% of the time, they didn't spawn in Arby's max so his 6 hour run got invalided. Is this reasonable? What is the cut? Would the demo be max if the pains only spawned 10% of the time? If a map has a closet of 1000 monsters but only between 800 and 900 teleport into the map cause the mapper managed to break his closet that badly, what would be the max? Would this just be a lottery of who gets more monsters to teleport in regardless of the quality of the demo? I've only seen a closet this bad in holyhell but closet where anywhere between 0-5 monsters don't teleport in are more common, mayhem18p map17, tat03, tat25 as examples, I've never seen all monsters successfully teleport in the tat maps, while in the mayhem map I had to get multiple exits in a 30 minute demo just cause that closet is an abomination of mapping. And the last case was monsters that were theorically possible to kill for the player but become unkillable later, such as those that fall into a pit the player can't reach, is sunder05. In su05 the monster only becomes unkillable if it's a cyber. But, even if it's a rev, you can see in my 5:45 run that I had to shoot 30 rockets into a wall until that rev died which is similar to killing the vile in pl27 that was decided long ago you don't need to kill. It's these 2 cases, together with iOS chaos maps, that really need to be talked about. The other cases mentioned in the thread are mostly settled, and some of them were never even a point of debate.

For iOS maps I think monsters resurrected by viles spawned by iOS should not count regardless of what was resurrected. You still have to kill all the pre placed monsters. My sl30 max went by this "rule" cause who knows what's happening in that map, and none of the ports differentiate between spawned and pre placed viles so it can't be checked currently.

5myh map30 stroller in 0:29 5myh30str029.zip

5myh map20 stroller in 0:05 5myh20str005.zip

Stroller table fill of the 2nd wad, map17 is pacifist, there are 2 map31 cause of normal and secret exit. 5myh02str017.zip 5myh03str011.zip 5myh04str009.zip 5myh06str016.zip 5myh10str012.zip 5myh11str007.zip 5myh12str014.zip 5myh13str005.zip 5myh14str005.zip 5myh15str007.zip 5myh16str007.zip 5myh17p002.zip 5myh18str045.zip 5myh19str006.zip 5myh20str022.zip 5myh21str007.zip 5myh22str016.zip 5myh23str025.zip 5myh24str008.zip 5myh27str022.zip 5myh28str016.zip 5myh29str006.zip 5myh31str001.zip 5myh31strs001.zip 5myh32str008.zip

While I fill the rest of the strollers in 5mnmayh, here's a map17 pacifist using a cool trick to jump around the fence blocking the exit. 5myh17p003.zip

Table fill of the important Stroller category, map26 is strollerina (stroller ballerina) 5m01str008.zip 5m02str006.zip 5m03str007.zip 5m04str009.zip 5m05str008.zip 5m06str022.zip 5m08str013.zip 5m09str014.zip 5m11str015.zip 5m12str010.zip 5m13str009.zip 5m14str012.zip 5m15str138.zip 5m16str013.zip 5m18str025.zip 5m19str020.zip 5m20str044.zip 5m21str013.zip 5m22str023.zip 5m23str012.zip 5m24str014.zip 5m25str029.zip 5m26str128.zip 5m27str006.zip 5m31str044.zip 5m33str005.zip

Apparently I recorded a map30 max in 2019 5m30-1115.zip

7:37 dmn01-737.zip

Today I learned a 5 map wad has it's own demo thread. Also a dmn01 max. dmn01-753.zip