doom_is_great

I really like his unused voice lines. It is exactly how I would imagine his voice would sound like. Wish they were used more.

Touchdown nailed it. Nuff said.

Except one of the id devs (cannot remember exactly who) said that if they had the technology back in the early 90s, Doom 3 would have essentially been the game they would have created. So YES, Doom was intended to be a serious game.

I hope its not. Doom was always a serious game for me. While I'll still probably buy and play Doom Eternal, I would much prefer a darker, heavier, and more oppressive atmosphere and tone than some of the cartoony goofiness we're seeing in some of the gameplay videos now.

Yeah, it looks pretty horrible. Might watch it but it looks corny as hell.

Meh. This Doom fan hopes there is a decent amount of exposition and lore, as well as lots of demon killing and blood, guts, and gore. Honestly, if the film were all demon killing with absolutely no exposition and lore at all, then the movie would suck in my eyes.

Running from Evil is one that I would like to hear. Some badass versions of that song floating around on Youtube. Would love to see Mick's take on that tune.

My sentiments exactly. It's like no one remembers playing maps like Halls of the Damned or The Waste Tunnels. Those maps were dark, shadowy, had creepy music and a foreboding atmosphere. No, all anyone remembers is bright, flashy colors, lots of lighting, and heavy metal. Brutal Doom can provide a more serious gaming experience if done right. Some of my favorite custom Doom experiences included Brutal Doom J by Johnny combined with Knee Deep in Zdoom and the Doomambience pack. One of the best Doom experiences ever for me.

Sadly, it seems the cartoonish visual aesthetic and goofy tone of the game is a deliberate design choice on part of the team. Hugo Martin: "...the goal is that it looks like a AAA version of the 1993 Doom. That’s what I’m so proud of with that footage. If you were to modernise Doom in a AAA game from 1993, that’s what it would look like. There are a lot of little things that we do to pull that off. I know some fans who love certain aspects of Doom 3, and totally, I do too. This is a cartoon. This is supposed to be fun. That’s what Doom was in 1993, so we take a lot of the dark shadows out of the world. We bring up the fill light. It kind of flattens the world a little bit, but it creates all of this visual detail and it does give it this cartoonish effect, which ultimately kind of balances out the ridiculous amount of violence in the game. The gore is handled in a cartoonish way, which is totally consistent with the original Doom games. And if it wasn’t done that way, you’re blowing off all of this flesh on this guy’s arm and he’s coming at you. We’ve had internal devs comment: “How is this guy still standing? He just has a femur on his leg holding him up.” It’s just a cartoon…" https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/gaming/doom-eternal-id-softwares-evil-dead-ii-3528907#Y3AwRTLq3Al5VB2x.99 Sigh. Growing up, I never thought of Doom as just a cartoon. To me it was a more serious gaming experience, a game about survival and overcoming overwhelming odds. Nonetheless, I still enjoyed Doom 2016 and will still probably enjoy Doom Eternal, but it just isn't my vision of what Doom is.

No one is saying that Doomguy was a coward and not badass. Doomguy was a badass because he was a survivor. That despite all of the overwhelming odds, through sheer grit, determination, and lots of guns and bullets, he overcame them all. At least that's always how I imagined him.

Aliens was cartoony? Maybe Total Recall (it was a Schwarzenegger film after all), but I wouldn't exactly consider Aliens a cartoony film. Of course, I haven't seen the whole film, only parts of it. But if I recall, the whole scenario of the movie is a group of space marines who think they are going to kick ass and destroy whatever they're up against only to find out that they're up against seemingly impossible odds. The rest of the movie is just them struggling to survive, with only Ripley, another marine, and a child surviving the encounter. Doesn't sound like a cartoony, goofy film to me. Of course, if I am wrong, feel free to correct me.

They were cartoonish looking because that's the best the technology could produce at the time. I believe one of the developers at id said that if they had the technology back when they made Classic Doom, Doom 3 would have essentially had been the game they would have made. Of course, if no one ever said that, feel free to correct me.

Or maybe people just have different opinions on what the atmosphere and tone of Doom should be like. It's not just pessimism for the sake of pessimism. In Classic Doom, there were definitely moments where you felt like a bad ass and were just annihilating everything in sight. There were other moments in the game that felt darker and more sinister and it felt like you were struggling just to survive. Unfortunately, it seems the team over at id simply took one aspect of the tone of Doom, the "I'm the biggest bad ass that ever lived!" part, and have just gone full bore with it and have forgotten everything else. And although it is a little disappointing, it is something that I can live with for now. I still liked Doom 2016 and I will probably still like Doom Eternal. I hope that as the game is further developed, that the environments and the monsters will look a little less cartoony and comic book like and that the team will find that good aesthetic balance that was struck in Doom 2016.

I second Touchdown's impressions. Doom 2016 struck a good balance between realistic and cartoony aesthetics. This Doom unfortunately goes full cartoon. If anyone at id reads this, please take into consideration these concerns!

All I want is them to make it a little less cartoony. I think that Doom 2016 hit a right balance between cartoony and realistic in terms of visual aesthetics.