The D3 Rant Thread!

[dsm]

Lectrix said:

Not if it was restricted to 2 players surely, i doubt doom 3 maps will fit 4 players but 2 should be no problem.

I've played coop with only myself and my brother - cramped spaces are an incredible annoyance even with just the two of us.
But that's just imo.

Anyways, the only rant apart from lacking coop I can think of right now is a pretty retarded one:

The marine doesn't wear gloves!

[Lectrix]

dsm said:

The marine doesn't wear gloves!

Won't ask...

[999cop]

dsm said:

I've played coop with only myself and my brother - cramped spaces are an incredible annoyance even with just the two of us.
But that's just imo.

Anyways, the only rant apart from lacking coop I can think of right now is a pretty retarded one:

The marine doesn't wear gloves!

http://koffertpc.homeip.net/images/diverse/doom3/doom3_intro_00603.jpg

well, in this pic, he does. Guess we won't know for sure until the retail is out...

[dsm]

999cop said:

http://koffertpc.homeip.net/images/diverse/doom3/doom3_intro_00603.jpg

well, in this pic, he does. Guess we won't know for sure until the retail is out...

Where in that pic do you see the Doom 3 hero marine? That's right, nowhere.
Sorry, I was a bit vague, I should've said "the hero marine" instead of just "the marine" (I thought it would be obvious).

I don't see a reason they'd put gloves on him as it's not all that important for the gameplay (it was just a cool, artistic detail in the original), but as you said: we won't know for sure until retail is out.

Still, that's a nice pic imo ;-)

[Tetzlaff]

Here´s my rant: Where the fook is the double barrel shotgun?! I want a stylish female psycho Archvile and not that tentacle infested alien abomination! Leave the action-interupting cutscenes out because they destroy the fist person "really being there" experience! Find a better name for Dr Malcolm Betruger!

That´s all, everything else is fine ;)

[Scabbed Angel]

Change the logo back to the E3 logo, include co-op, please let that gun in the recent xbox pic not be the shotgun.

[999cop]

Need a rover, so you explore more detail of Mars and other aesthetics that id will have in store for us while we aren't battling with monsters.

Never understood the theory of not having some sort of spacesuit so you can walk out on ourdoor landscape. Guess it's just a lame excuse to that most actions are just going to be stuck indoor.

Hopefully it will have a nicer and detailed storyline to show Half Life who's boss. The original theme was great enough, but lack of details. But still it sounded better than HL's cheesy story, imo.

Last but not least, MUST be better to kick Half Life 2's ass! :p

[dsm]

999cop said:

Need a rover, so you explore more detail of Mars and other aesthetics that id will have in store for us while we aren't battling with monsters.

Never understood the theory of not having some sort of spacesuit so you can walk out on ourdoor landscape. Guess it's just a lame excuse to that most actions are just going to be stuck indoor.

Both cases are design desicions. The Id guys want to scare the crap out of the player and that's best achieved by keeping the action in confined spaces.

Having a rover to explore the Martian landscape kills any kind of scare factor - if you can just ride a fast vehicle, the monsters won't be dangerous and scary. Also, Doom 3 is a first person shooter, not a racing game or an adventure game. The deal is to pound dirt and shoot stuff.

Walking outdoor, again, decreases scare factor because you suddenly have wide open spaces with only few ambush possibilities.

[Amaster]

dsm said:

Walking outdoor, again, decreases scare factor because you suddenly have wide open spaces with only few ambush possibilities.

I agree that outdoor areas wouldnt quite fit into Doom3. But on the point of them being non-scary I'll have to disagree. Silent Hill had open areas and still managed to be... uncomfortable.It's possible to scare the hell out of the player without resorting to cheap "gotcha" style tactics.

My rant, besides the lack of coop, is that the imps are too damn fast. But this may change in the final version.

[deathbringer]

Something that hasnt been ranted about here, but did get it quite a bit at the time it was revealed: The logo!

First one was WAY better, new one looks cheesy and reeks of photoshop filtering

[Scabbed Angel]

Assmaster said:

My rant, besides the lack of coop, is that the imps are too damn fast. But this may change in the final version.

What's wrong with that? I love the viscous attack sequences they have. Plus one shotgun blast to the head'll take take of one. I like them a hell of a lot more than the original, but maybee that's just me.

[999cop]

dsm said:

Both cases are design desicions. The Id guys want to scare the crap out of the player and that's best achieved by keeping the action in confined spaces.

Having a rover to explore the Martian landscape kills any kind of scare factor - if you can just ride a fast vehicle, the monsters won't be dangerous and scary. Also, Doom 3 is a first person shooter, not a racing game or an adventure game. The deal is to pound dirt and shoot stuff.

Walking outdoor, again, decreases scare factor because you suddenly have wide open spaces with only few ambush possibilities.

I was rather thinking it'd supply with greater immersion of the Martian landscape that according to Willits, there will be a heavy storyline behind about ancient civilization of Mars. In addition, notice I was emphasizing while not battling with monsters that we may be able to get a better understanding of the Mars that is designed by id when we can catch some breath once in a while.

[dsm]

999cop said:

I was rather thinking it'd supply with greater immersion of the Martian landscape that according to Willits, there will be a heavy storyline behind about ancient civilization of Mars. In addition, notice I was emphasizing while not battling with monsters that we may be able to get a better understanding of the Mars that is designed by id when we can catch some breath once in a while.

Ok, I won't argue specifically against that, because that's fair enough - opinions are opinions.
All I want to say is that I - that's me personally - want to play Doom 3 to kill stuff (because that's how it was in classic Doom: non-stop action). I don't feel the need to "take a break", nor do I need (or like, for that matter) huge outdoor landscapes or vehicles. I'm only saying this, because I feel the need to counter the storm of "I want huge outdoor areas" comments I see everywhere, and to show that not everyone shares that sentiment.

[Lectrix]

Assmaster said:

My rant, besides the lack of coop, is that the imps are too damn fast. But this may change in the final version.

I have to agree with Scabbed Angel on this one, the imps kick ass i love the way they pounce and crawl all over the walls/ceiling rather than just walk at you (scary walking monster, now thats the hell knight).

[cudderlycacodemon]

NO CACODEMONS IN DooM 3 WHAT THE FCUK WERE THEY THINKING NOT FAIR I WANT DooM 3 TO HAVE CACODEMONS WITH BIG GRINS (AND I DONT WANT TO SEE THERE BUTT HOLE LIKE YOU DO IN DOOM 1 AND 2 IT'S SICK AND HORRIBLE) WHY DONT YOU JUST MAKE (NO CACODEMONS IN DOOM 3 WTF!?!)...........

WELL EXCUSE ME BUT I HAVE TO SAY IF THERE ARNT CACODEMONS IN DooM 3 THEN IT'S NOT DooM IT'S SOMTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE RED FACTION 2 AND RESI EVIL I AM NOT A HAPPY BUNNY!!!! I AM NOT A HAPPY CACODEMON ARGH!!!! NOT FAIR!!!!!! NOT FAIR!!!!! AND I DON'T WANT THEM RE DWARN WITHER I WANT GIANT FLOATING 1 EYED MEATBALL BIG GRINNED LOOKING HAPPY TO EAT YOU FLUFFY COUDDERLY CACODEMON FUN!!!

(I've finished my rant and I will a very formal polite letter to id softwear telling them that I wont give them my money for a game without my favourite monster!!!) IT JUST WONT BE THE SAME

[sniperfrommars1]

dude the caco IS in doom 3 HELLO what planet are you on mars *eerrr ummm* err umm*

[Darkman 4]

cudderlycacodemon said:

NO CACODEMONS IN DooM 3 WHAT THE FCUK WERE THEY THINKING NOT FAIR I WANT DooM 3 TO HAVE CACODEMONS WITH BIG GRINS (AND I DONT WANT TO SEE THERE BUTT HOLE LIKE YOU DO IN DOOM 1 AND 2 AND 3 IT'S SICK SEEDY AND INSULTS CACODEMONS EVERYWHERE) WHY DONT YOU JUST MAKE A CACOPORN FILM YEAH THERE PROBERLY SICK ENOUGH IN HEAD TO DO THAT (NO CACODEMONS IN DOOM 3 WTF!?!...........

I WANT TO SEE CACODEMONS!!!-----> ( " )

WELL EXCUSE ME BUT I HAVE TO SAY IF THERE ARNT CACODEMONS IN DooM 3 THEN IT'S NOT DooM IT'S SOMTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE RED FACTION 2 AND RESI EVIL I AM NOT A HAPPY BUNNY!!!! I AM NOT A HAPPY CACODEMON ARGH!!!! NOT FAIR!!!!!! NOT FAIR!!!!! AND I DON'T WANT THEM RE DWARN WITHER I WANT GIANT FLOATING 1 EYED MEATBALL BIG GRINNED LOOKING HAPPY TO EAT YOU FLUFFY COUDDERLY CACODEMON FUN!!!


AND I WANT PLUSH TOYS OF THEM IM TESCO'S TOO!!!!
(I've finished my rant and I will a ver formal polite letter to id softwear telling them that I wont give them my money for a game without my favourite monster!!!)

My poor brain, it hurts so much.

[Shaviro]

hahahaha

[NiGHTMARE]

Some people shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

[Darkstalker]

Heh and bumping old threads seems to be getting popular too.

[Fredrik]

It's not the bumping that's the problem, it's the merciless assault on human intellect.

[Disorder]

What intellect?

[cudderlycacodemon]

I was in a black mood and half cut. I've also edited the replay so it actually makes sense. It's just that 1 of the most key elemnts to a remake of doom 1 would be to include all the essential key elements to bring back the old doom. And to leave out one of the most known monsters as almost symbol of doom is unherd of and a insult to fans everywhere how would you like it if they were to make another turok game with the hundreds of guns replaced by a single peashooter with only 1 type of bullet and thousands of giant maps with each having only 1 monster and on hard mode 2. eh? in the dark in a ventaltion shaft if you were to try and turn off a dombed fuse box and it turned around and was a cacodemon you would cr*p your pants. The whole of Doom Connecter couldnt belive it.

AND THERE NOT IN DOOM I WOULD HAVE KNOWN

[cudderlycacodemon]

(i dont have an interlect well not anyomore i spend to much on doom) kidding about that caco thing I was just bored (but) what would happen if one monster in doom that was really cool (back in the days) didnt apper in doom 3? It just feels kinda wierd ya know I just don't feel like doom.

[Darkstalker]

If you had took the time to read the FAQ you would read that the cacodemon is in the game.

[Lectrix]

But from what we have heard, they should rename it caco-elemental.

[Janderson]

NiGHTMARE said:

Some people shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

I know but it keeps me away from an evil, sinful life of drinking, sex and talking to people.

Lectrix said:

But from what we have heard, they should rename it caco-elemental.

If it has a big nose it could be the ele-demon.

[Shaviro]

One of the things you have to accept is that this is not Doom1, this is Doom3. Before you realise and accept that, I don't think you can enjoy the game.

[TH-555]

dsm said:

I've played coop with only myself and my brother - cramped spaces are an incredible annoyance even with just the two of us.
But that's just imo.

indeed, I hope there is something to be learned from halo coop, having 2 players in a cramped linear level design is quite a pain, altho if there are halls leading to wider open rooms or multiple pathways, thats when it works.

[cudderlycacodemon]

Caco elemental bah its going to be toataly re drawn wont be the same monster. Has it occured to you that this isnt Doom 3 as such this is Doom 1 remake because the story just drags on and the only sequels of this will be remakes of the others and thats it. So it needs to have the classic doom touch in order for it to be accsepted by the fans. Now I know that things have changed fashion, toys ect. But were not talking about somthing new we are talking about the remake of one of the most origanal games of the 90's remade to suit the future genaration. But to change somthing that one thing to include or to make horribly different is just evil, pure evil. Somone said earlyer that the marine wears no gloves what the diffrence to that and this? as long as it doesnt have legs or wings I'll lve but don't give it a facelift and make it wierd looking.

FINAL DOOM WAS DOOM 3 THIS JUST ANOTHER REMAKE OF A GAME THAT DIDN'T NEED TO BE REMADE IF THEY THOUGHT THEY SHOULD MAKE IT THERE GAME IT'S NOT A PRODUCT IT'S A FRANCHISE!