[CP] Community Project - Gothic21: Reviving the GothicDM style for GZDoom!

[xdude_gamer]

GOTHIC21 IS HERE.

 

Hello Doomers, my name is xdude_gamer and this is my attempt at reviving the GothicDM-style maps that put Anthony Czerwonka and his team of mapmakers and composers on the map as some of the finest and most detailed Doomers out there. Despite the flak that GothicDM and Gothic99 get, I think it is about time for a revival of the style, and to add more detail.

 

Why?

 

GothicDM was a project made in 1997, at the height of Doom's early modding scene. Anthony Czerwonka, Mattrim Dixon, and several others all collectively made THE most detailed maps of the 1990s. Before Ancient Aliens and all those other crazy WADs, there was Gothic.

 

Gothic99, on the other hand, received a lot of negative reviews for its ridiculous detail and tight spaces that made rockets an instant way of suicide. EIGHTEEN BILLION SECTORS OF WORK put to waste. From there, Gothic died. Since 2002, the GothicDM series has been officially defunct. I am here to revive it. I personally enjoyed the Gothic series for everything it was worth. We still deathmatch on GothicDM, sometimes even on Gothic99. So let's give them a new sight for their eyes.

 

Map Slots:

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MAP01: @The_SloVinator (done)
MAP02: @dach (done mostly)
MAP03: @ProYT (done)
MAP04: @Zion (done)
MAP05: @Captain Toenail (done mostly)
MAP06: @The_SloVinator (done)
MAP07: @The_SloVinator (done)
MAP08: @Mr.Rocket (in progress)
MAP31:@DoctorNuriel (in progress)

 

Music Slots:

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Every map except the ones below: idk yet
MAP10: @Briøche
INTERMISSION: @brightentayle
TITLE: Me

 

 

Rules:

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1. Levels have to be UDMF format with some kind of use of GothicTX textures.
2. Has to look and play like a map out of GothicDM (not too cramped, though. that shit sucks!)
3. Custom textures are allowed, but nothing too greatly-excessive. Signatures are allowed.
4. Be sure to complete your map before the deadline. If you don't, you will have a week to complete the map before your slot is replaced.
5. Don't judge others' submissions until playtesting.
6. Final rule. Your level has to take less than 30 seconds to circlestrafe through, otherwise it is a bit too big. As you remember, Gothic did not have very massive maps.

 

How to secure a level/music slot:

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1. Ask for a music slot or a level slot.
2. Make a level and submit it.
3. Make music and submit it.

 

 

 SCREENSHOTS FOR REFERENCE

 

Thank you!

-xdude_gamer

 

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by xdude_gamer : stuff

[Dusty_Rhodes]

I'll take Map01. GothicDM is one of my all time favorites! Should we get a resource wad going? We can just use the sound effects and textures from GothicDM.

[xdude_gamer]

4 minutes ago, Dusty_Rhodes said:

I'll take Map01. GothicDM is one of my all time favorites! Should we get a resource wad going? We can just use the sound effects and textures from GothicDM.

Yeah, totes!

[Doomkid]

Cool idea! There have been many "gothic in spirit" maps since then, but I'm not positive if there's any gothic through-and-through DM wads that are much fun made since. (Probably, I just don't know of them).

 

Anyway, I hope to see this picking up traction, and if you'd like to hook some more mappers, maybe try starting threads on the Zand, ZDaemon and Odamex forums as well?

 

Good luck on this one!

[Bobby :D]

I'm gonna take a stab at this, sign me up for whatever

 

[xdude_gamer]

3 hours ago, Bobby “lolmcswagger” said:

I'm gonna take a stab at this, sign me up for whatever

 

I'll put you for MAP02.

4 hours ago, Doomkid said:

Cool idea! There have been many "gothic in spirit" maps since then, but I'm not positive if there's any gothic through-and-through DM wads that are much fun made since. (Probably, I just don't know of them).

 

Anyway, I hope to see this picking up traction, and if you'd like to hook some more mappers, maybe try starting threads on the Zand, ZDaemon and Odamex forums as well?

 

Good luck on this one!

Thanks for the good luck, I'll head there.

[Bri0che]

Oh ! I'm a great fan of the gothic style in general, I'm following this.

Maybe I'll submit for music composition as I'm a total noob for non-vanilla format maps.

Though I want to see the dev' of the map, for inspiration :D

[Captain Toenail]

I may be interested in doing a map for this. Some questions.

 

Are we using gothictx.wad or gothicdm as the resource wad?

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/gothictx

 

Is this aimed at Zandronum only as you mentioned UDMF format.

 

Can I include new decorative props?

 

 

[DJVCardMaster]

If you can solve the resource pack problem, you can give me the MAP04 slot no problem! 

[OpenRift]

So when you say "modern source ports", what format are you talking about? Limit-removing? Boom? MBF? UDMF? You should probably specify what the scope of these levels should be.

[xdude_gamer]

3 hours ago, Captain Toenail said:

I may be interested in doing a map for this. Some questions.

 

Are we using gothictx.wad or gothicdm as the resource wad?

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/gothictx

 

Is this aimed at Zandronum only as you mentioned UDMF format.

 

Can I include new decorative props?

 

 

This is aimed for really any source port, but mostly Zandronum and ZDoom. You can add new decorative props. We can use GothicTX as well, since it contains more textures over all.

[xdude_gamer]

2 hours ago, OpenRift said:

So when you say "modern source ports", what format are you talking about? Limit-removing? Boom? MBF? UDMF? You should probably specify what the scope of these levels should be.

In rules, I put

"1. UDMF, Hexen, or Boom format heavily advised. Unless you can make a nice vanilla-compatible map."

[Decay]

The map format rules don't really make sense. You should stick to a certain level of compatibility to keep the set coherent.

[xdude_gamer]

2 minutes ago, Decay said:

The map format rules don't really make sense. You should stick to a certain level of compatibility to keep the set coherent.

Ok rules changed.

1. Levels must be in UDMF or Boom format

[Mr Masker]

4 minutes ago, xdude_gamer said:

Ok rules changed.

1. Levels must be in UDMF or Boom format

if you have both UDMF and Boom levels, won't that mean you'd need seperate wads for those 2 different level types?

 

[xdude_gamer]

Just now, Mr Masker said:

if you have both UDMF and Boom levels, won't that mean that you'd need seperate wads for those 2 different level types

Well... I didn't know that happened! UDMF only then, I'll change it. (sorry! amateur mapper here.)

[Mr Masker]

1 minute ago, xdude_gamer said:

Well... I didn't know that happened! UDMF only then, I'll change it. (sorry! amateur mapper here.)

i mean technically you could put both in the same wad, it's just that if it was in a maplist along with each other, and a Non GZDoom player went through them, he'd be able to play the boom maps then crash at the udmf maps.

[xdude_gamer]

Just now, Mr Masker said:

i mean technically you could put both in the same wad, it's just that if it was in a maplist along with each other, and a Non GZDoom player went through them, he'd be able to play the boom maps then crash at the udmf maps.

It'd be fun to make Boom and UDMF maps in a seperate wad, but that'd be a bit of a waste of time if you could just make UDMF maps for all GZDoom and Zandronum guys to enjoy. 

[Decay]

Also why do the maps have to play like gothicDM? That shit sucks dude. Small, cramped, terrible spawn and weapon placement. Gothic is known for looking good, not playing good, and gothic99 just exemplifies that. You should considered something along the lines of "gothicDM done right" instead of basically forcing new maps onto a shitty framework.

[xdude_gamer]

9 minutes ago, Decay said:

Also why do the maps have to play like gothicDM? That shit sucks dude. Small, cramped, terrible spawn and weapon placement. Gothic is known for looking good, not playing good, and gothic99 just exemplifies that. You should considered something along the lines of "gothicDM done right" instead of basically forcing new maps onto a shitty framework.

Well yeah. Altered rules so that people don't make shitty cramped maps.

[xdude_gamer]

Basically, maps have to have some sort of space. In Gothic99, rocket launchers are just suicide waiting to happen, so at least give some room everyone!

[Bri0che]

So, ok, I think I will take the music slot of map10 :p

I'll surely compose something and see the map after

 

[xdude_gamer]

3 minutes ago, Briøche said:

So, ok, I think I will take the music slot of map10 :p

I'll surely compose something and see the map after

 

Ok, I'll mark your name!

[dybbuk81]

Is music MIDI or "other"?

[xdude_gamer]

1 minute ago, dybbuk said:

Is music MIDI or "other"?

MIDI, to keep with the retro feeling.

[The_SloVinator]

You know what? I had quite fun doing the map for TWANGO project, so I'll give this one a chance as well.

I'll take slot 08.

 

I looked up the gothicdm & found a texture pack as well, so I'll learn their map designs & see what I can do.

I'm also aware of the controversy with gothic99 & hopefully not replicate it.

[xdude_gamer]

52 minutes ago, The_SloVinator said:

You know what? I had quite fun doing the map for TWANGO project, so I'll give this one a chance as well.

I'll take slot 08.

 

I looked up the gothicdm & found a texture pack as well, so I'll learn their map designs & see what I can do.

I'm also aware of the controversy with gothic99 & hopefully not replicate it.

Alright, I'll add you. Good to have you, my fellow TWANGO colleague!

[xdude_gamer]

* Gothic21 is for Doom 2: Hell on Earth

* This is meant for GZDoom, so use UDMF

* General rules/guidelines included in the post

* Resource pack is GothicTX

* Submission deadline is included in the post

 

UPDATE!: Less map slots now! Only 12 maps instead of 18 maps.

[xdude_gamer]

Basic text file and first three tracks made for Gothic21! Tell me if they suck.

 

Title theme:
Based off of Metallica's Sanitarium
D_RUNNIN:
Based off of Metallica's Day that Never Comes
D_STALKS:
Based off of Running From Evil (C# Tuning and epic-er instruments)

gothic21.zip

[xdude_gamer]

Does anybody have any MIDIs they think would fit the GothicDM style?