insertwackynamehere Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) Everything about it sounds reasonable except I don’t know why they single out gaming. They should just describe people with consumption based addictions and include as a footnote consumption can include food, drugs and/or media. The video games part isn’t wrong but it feels like a “hook” to get some clicks. They just describe escapism to the detriment of ones’ mental (and physical) health and name video games as a potential catalyst which seems pointless since the same can and should be applied to many different activities. 2 Share this post Link to post
Bauul Posted December 28, 2017 43 minutes ago, insertwackynamehere said: Everything about it sounds reasonable except I don’t know why they single out gaming. They should just describe people with consumption based addictions and include as a footnote consumption can include food, drugs and/or media. The video games part isn’t wrong but it feels like a “hook” to get some clicks. They just describe escapism to the detriment of ones’ mental (and physical) health and name video games as a potential catalyst which seems pointless since the same can and should be applied to many different activities. That's not a great comparison: drugs' addictive qualities are chemical as much as psychological, so would need very different treatment (you can't therapy someone off heroin!). Games have been singled out because a: people do literally die from playing too many video games, and b: video game addiction is a specific kind of disorder compared to, say, gambling addiction or over eating. People don't play excessive video games for the same reason people eat themselves to death, so lumping them all together would be pretty irresponsible. The WHO clearly feels that the triggers that cause gaming addiction are unique enough that it warrants its own category. 6 Share this post Link to post
Kaal979 Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) The problem with Doom is obviously - the wads and levels are too small and short to keep peoples playing for long enough - also in SP completely missing a elite-community which attracts to invest more future time ... sorta. Therefore on the other side the game has a comparably high morale level what kinda decreases the "fault-quitter" rates. P.S.: Consider that i can only write about old Dooms from the 90s and not the new stuffs! Edited December 28, 2017 by Kaal979 0 Share this post Link to post
Kaal979 Posted December 28, 2017 In my honest opinion theres nothing wrong with decent heroic-fantasy-bigtime-playground-futures except theres no true favorite on the horizon but indeed peoples could have a worldwide censor agency or something and of course normal acceptance among the better societies. 0 Share this post Link to post
Kaal979 Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) By the way - VIOLENCE has been and will always be part of the humannature and therefore somehow cant be overstupidated or whatever. The Essence Of Science-Fiction The Essence Of Science-Fiction P.S.: Equals: Fragging whatever human opponent = "Forbidden Fruit" which shalt be "consumed" moderately. Fragging (evil and funny) AI Pawn = "Allowed Fruit" which must be "consumed" without limits. Edited December 28, 2017 by Kaal979 0 Share this post Link to post
Arctangent Posted December 28, 2017 this was only 12 hours ago but man does this beg to be repeated from the post since then: 12 hours ago, Arctangent said: I wonder how accurately you can tell who's neurotypical and who's not just from their responses in this thread. 6 Share this post Link to post
Varis Alpha Posted December 28, 2017 well, i am not neurotypical, and i can fully understand why the WHO would do something like this. 4 Share this post Link to post
insertwackynamehere Posted December 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Bauul said: That's not a great comparison: drugs' addictive qualities are chemical as much as psychological, so would need very different treatment (you can't therapy someone off heroin!). Games have been singled out because a: people do literally die from playing too many video games, and b: video game addiction is a specific kind of disorder compared to, say, gambling addiction or over eating. People don't play excessive video games for the same reason people eat themselves to death, so lumping them all together would be pretty irresponsible. The WHO clearly feels that the triggers that cause gaming addiction are unique enough that it warrants its own category. I’m not sure I would separate gambling and gaming, it seems to be the closest similar thing. Both involve someone drawn in by positive (yet non-guaranteed) feedback with a hint of skill. Games might be a bit more skill heavy than some gambling, but things like Poker require skill as well, as does sports betting to a degree. The others may need to be handled differently as you say, but I’m skeptical that although treatments differ, it’s not all part of the same addictive tendencies plus depressive tendencies. Regardless I’m not a doctor, and I don’t even disagree with the assessment on any level. I just am bracing myself for “videogames are evil” pop science headlines that completely miss the point. 2 Share this post Link to post
kb1 Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, Arctangent said: and this is what I call "assuming everyone's a meddler so I'm not going to bother actually reading anything" Huh? For example, the way you decided to meddle with my response. Pretty much the same thing: A sad, misguided attempt to get involved and impose a will, with no understanding of the cause and effect of it all. Way to go. 0 Share this post Link to post
Mr. Freeze Posted December 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Arctangent said: this was only 12 hours ago but man does this beg to be repeated from the post since then: HARDKOAR GAMURS getting defensive and angry? Why I never! 0 Share this post Link to post
EmotionalFelineinaMadstate Posted December 29, 2017 This thread got derailed so hard the train went across the world twice. 3 Share this post Link to post
Master O Posted December 29, 2017 On 12/27/2017 at 8:21 PM, Nems said: Maybe if real life wasn't such a fucking Goddamn shithole people wouldn't increasingly use video games as a means of escapism? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean, if it's not video games, it's alcohol, drugs, gambling (which has been kind of leaking into gaming lately thanks to loot boxes), or something else to cling to as a psychological crutch to keep from gargling some 12-gauge mouthwash, whether it's self-administered or administered to other people unwillingly. Most people have that "thing" that helps them make it through the day without killing someone else or themselves. There's a deeper social disorder or dysfunction involved that unfortunately either doesn't have a quick fix (any good fix to social ailments is never quick or short-term) or can't be fixed because of the clown fiesta we have running the country/world doesn't want it fixed. It's fucked up because they want it fucked up because it benefits them. You can treat addiction all day until the cows come home and until you're blue in the face. However, until deeper social problems like inequality, lack of economic/social mobility, prejudice, lack of access to basic needs, etc. are addressed, people are going to find ways to cope with shitty life circumstances. Cure them of one addiction and they'll just go to another. Or they'll eventually snap and kill others/themselves when they eventually have nothing left to go to. "You have owners. They own you." - George Carlin 0 Share this post Link to post
Arctangent Posted December 29, 2017 1 hour ago, kb1 said: A sad, misguided attempt to get involved and impose a will, with no understanding of the cause and effect of it all. Way to go. is this describing yourself because it's pretty accurate 0 Share this post Link to post
Da Werecat Posted December 29, 2017 So does that mean I can accuse anyone I don't like of meddling in my business? 2 Share this post Link to post
Cruduxy Pegg Posted December 29, 2017 15 hours ago, insertwackynamehere said: I just am bracing myself for “videogames are evil” pop science headlines that completely miss the point. Well don't worry those aren't new and won't be going away any time soon. A lot of people are misinterpreting this thread to be about freaking social conformity instead of a life threatening disorder. This isn't about your moms and neighbors telling you gaming is a waste of time and you should watch sports instead blahblahlah. 6 Share this post Link to post
rodster Posted January 3, 2018 so, does that mean that we can use park spaces for disabled People? 4 Share this post Link to post
DesecratorJ Posted January 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, rodster said: so, does that mean that we can use park spaces for disabled People? I definitely feel like a mentally insane person since this addition. Or not. 2 Share this post Link to post
Neurosis Posted January 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, rodster said: so, does that mean that we can use park spaces for disabled People? Have you ever wanted to physically throw a forum post out through a glass window? 5 Share this post Link to post
Remilia Scarlet Posted January 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, Neurosis said: Have you ever wanted to physically throw a forum post out through a glass window? I do now. 1 Share this post Link to post
Major Arlene Posted January 4, 2018 3 hours ago, rodster said: so, does that mean that we can use park spaces for disabled People? holy derailment, batman. 1 Share this post Link to post
kb1 Posted January 4, 2018 On 12/28/2017 at 9:35 PM, Arctangent said: is this describing yourself because it's pretty accurate Just saw this. "I know you are, but what am I?" Wow, that brings back memories. I got bagged me with a Kindergarten diss. Good one - I actually laughed. 0 Share this post Link to post
Arctangent Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, kb1 said: Just saw this. "I know you are, but what am I?" Wow, that brings back memories. I got bagged me with a Kindergarten diss. Good one - I actually laughed. Well, everyone, we now have a perfect example of how someone can blatantly misread someone and have people tell them that they misread it and still be fully confident that the text says what they think it said, even though everyone who actually read it can prove otherwise. Or maybe this is an example of some sort of god complex reinforcing the belief that they can change something just by saying how it is. Hard to tell. 0 Share this post Link to post
Doomkid Posted January 4, 2018 The amount of people in this thread who seem to think this is some "attack on gaming" baffles me. This is simply recognizing a specific addiction that a substantial number of people have been afflicted with to the point where it is detrimental to their livelihood. The WHO officially recognizing this phenomenon is likely to lead to one thing: A higher number of people who are dangerously addicted to games will be able to seek more effective help, faster. That's it. No one is denying that a person could become detrimentally addicted to most any creative/escapist endeavor. No one (with a brain) is claiming this is the fault of the games themselves. No one is trying to take away your ability to do those 8-hour Doom binges from time to time. This is simply an endeavor to more clearly understand this specific variant of addiction and thus find effective treatment for those suffering from it. fuck dude this shit explains itself, how is anyone finding so much stuff to argue about here rofl 14 Share this post Link to post
Nine Inch Heels Posted January 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, Doomkid said: fuck dude this shit explains itself, how is anyone finding so much stuff to argue about here rofl Well, the kneejerks come in all shapes and sizes, so the amount of stuff that can be argued about correlates quite nicely. :p But, as it stands, this thread is yet another good example for when it's just best to unsub and move on with one's life, because there's nothing left to be found here that is actually worth looking for. 5 Share this post Link to post
dew Posted January 5, 2018 23 hours ago, kb1 said: Just saw this. "I know you are, but what am I?" Wow, that brings back memories. I got bagged me with a Kindergarten diss. Good one - I actually laughed. So a week later, you saw it necessary to respond to a "childish" diss with passive-aggressively scolding it and stating how above it you are with your maturity and wisdom. Good one - I actually sneered. 4 Share this post Link to post
scalliano Posted May 26, 2019 Bump, but it's now official: https://kotaku.com/gaming-disorder-now-a-recognized-illness-according-to-1835026321 https://www.polygon.com/2019/5/25/18639893/gaming-disorder-addiction-world-health-organization-who-icd-11 Congratulations, games journalists, turns out you've been shitting on disabled people all this time. Hope you're all proud of yourselves :P 2 Share this post Link to post
Gez Posted May 27, 2019 When will Gamers-with-a-big-G use the same righteous indignation against the entire nation of Japan for inventing the concepts of "otaku" and "hikikomori" as ways of saying that spending all your time shut in in your bedroom in front of your screen while forgetting to eat, drink, bathe, and talk to flesh-and-blood people is somehow bad? 1 Share this post Link to post
Nine Inch Heels Posted May 27, 2019 Lovely. I just can't wait for the next few pages in this thread to turn out similar to the first few pages in this thread. 1 Share this post Link to post